Originally Posted by Mule (Post 3967070)

Here is the real apology.

Dear PPOT Left wing lunatics,

I realize that for some time now I have confused & befuddled you by the use of facts. I realize now that facts are totally foreign to you and that in your world, all that really matters is claims and feelings. For you, facts only serve to confuse your reliance on feelings & claims and are therefore disregarded as inferior to claims and feelings. In the future I will try to place warnings in all posts where facts are used to make a point, in hopes of preventing the overtaxing of your meager brains. With this new approach there should be fewer confused PPOT lefties pounding on their keyboards, staring blankly at their screens while drooling on the keyboards or making psychotic, threatening posts & pms. Remember. the most important thing is that we all get a bong.

Sincerely,
Mule

Originally Posted by Jim Richards (Post 3967097)

First three petition signitories from the fine State of Alabama:

H. William Ahrenholz - deceased
Oscar Richard Ainsworth, PhD - nothing on the internet Lie!
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Oscar+Richard+Ainsworth%2C+PhD&btnG =Google+Search
http://www.genealogy.ams.org/id.php?id=17414&fChrono=1
John H. van Aken - sells boating supplies Appears to be another lie.
http://www.google.com/search?num=30&hl=en&suggon=0&q=John+H.+Van+Aken&bt nG=Search


I'm sure the quality of these "scientist" signatures is much better than my quick "fact" check.

Originally Posted by Mule (Post 3967135)

H. William Ahrenholz - deceased
Oscar Richard Ainsworth, PhD - nothing on the internet Lie!
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search
http://www.genealogy.ams.org/id.php?id=17414&fChrono=1
John H. van Aken - sells boating supplies Appears to be another lie.
http://www.google.com/search?num=30&...en&btnG=Search



Here's the link with all the signers. Alabama had 485, California, 3,709.
Whoops, up. side ya' head
I said whoops up side ya' head.
Punked!

Originally Posted by dd74 (Post 3967075)

That's a fairly ignorant statement. My diesel can run on bio fuel, free of cost if I get in good with a local restaurant. I fail to see the scam there.

Originally Posted by carnutzzz (Post 3967314)

Local restaurants won't supply America the 21 million gallons of diesel it consumes per day. Burning fryer grease is a novelty, not an energy solution. Nifty as it may be.

I believe he was referring to corn anyways. The scam is that you burn more fossil fuel per gallon with corn than you do a petroleum product.

Originally Posted by dd74 (Post 3967396)

There are many cars here in this big city that are burning vegetable oil from various sources. There was a big Dodge pickup for sale near here that got 22 mpg. on peanut oil. Needless to say, that vehicle didn't last a week for sale before it was bought. So it's not so novel, and yes, it is one of many energy solutions.

The scam is the petroleum products - at least it is today. No one says ethanol is better than gasoline. It is simply an alternative to gasoline - a very good alternative because, just like in the Lotus video, if the engine management is reprogrammed, the car can get virtually the same mileage with a good amount more power.

Originally Posted by Normy (Post 3965895)

-You know, you Rebuplicans are right in the end! We need MORE oil! Lets drill the crap out of the ANWAR. And who needs any of the other National wildlife refuges? Lets drill them too!

N~

Originally Posted by dd74 (Post 3967396)

There are many cars here in this big city that are burning vegetable oil from various sources. There was a big Dodge pickup for sale near here that got 22 mpg. on peanut oil. Needless to say, that vehicle didn't last a week for sale before it was bought. So it's not so novel, and yes, it is one of many energy solutions.

The scam is the petroleum products - at least it is today. No one says ethanol is better than gasoline. It is simply an alternative to gasoline - a very good alternative because, just like in the Lotus video, if the engine management is reprogrammed, the car can get virtually the same mileage with a good amount more power.

Originally Posted by Jim Richards (Post 3967245)

Ainsworth you posted received a PhD from Berkley in 1952. Nothing about Alabama and do you even know what his degree is in (Math?) and if he's alive today?

The van Aken link you posted also missed the check to see if this character is in Alabama and what he does. Try this link: http://chandlers.near-2-u.com/boating/USA/John-H-Van-Aken-Co.-Inc-43.htm
or maybe he's a South African, Honorary Consul General, located in Mobile, AL: http://www.mobilechamber.com/consularcorp.asp

Once again, you...wait for it...

http://www.horsesass.org/wp-content/uploads/fail.JPG

Originally Posted by Mule (Post 3966793)

Let's try this again:
Algore makes it up, 31,000 scientists disagree & you guys want to give the benefit of the doubt to Algore? Just when you think you've seen it all!

Originally Posted by DanielDudley (Post 3967768)

Al kind of got on the boat late. I thought that Dottore made the point well that the petition was skewed.

Originally Posted by Mule (Post 3967686)

I can guarantee you she's a democrat, probably an Obama supporter.
So how many Oscar Richard Ainsworth, PhD's do you think there are 10, 20, 100?

Originally Posted by Mule (Post 3967623)

Apparently. Didn't you claim 45 mpg with an ML320?

Originally Posted by carnutzzz (Post 3967436)

Not many cars in this big city (Atlanta).

Originally Posted by carnutzzz (Post 3967436)

Ethanol is not an alternative to petroleum products because it takes petroleum products to create and distribute it. Cradle to grave, it's a waste.

Originally Posted by Mule (Post 3967811)

Absolutely conjecture. If you run the percentages on air headed college students, are they mostly Republican?

Originally Posted by dd74 (Post 3967947)

That's right. And we got that over the long weekend driving north...again. SmileWavy

Originally Posted by Mule (Post 3967983)

Cool! You must be a super hyper-hypermiler. Was it downhill both ways?
2005
"Mercedes, said that in a 3,210 mile/5,200 km sea-to-shining-sea test across America from New York to San Francisco, the 3.2 litre 224 bhp V6 diesel returned 31.04 miles per gallon."

2007
"Under its new testing, the EPA gives the ML320 19 mpg in the city and 24 mpg on the highway. Our overall observed mileage comported with those numbers, coming in at 21.6 mpg."

2008
"EPA mileage is 18/24, and if I believe the trip computer, I got around 20 in town and over 24 at a steady 70 or so on the open road."

Originally Posted by dd74 (Post 3967075)

That's a fairly ignorant statement. My diesel can run on bio fuel, free of cost if I get in good with a local restaurant. I fail to see the scam there.

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Originally Posted by dd74 (Post 3967075)

That's a fairly ignorant statement.

Originally Posted by carnutzzz (Post 3967314)

Local restaurants won't supply America the 21 million gallons of diesel it consumes per day. Burning fryer grease is a novelty, not an energy solution. Nifty as it may be.

I believe he was referring to corn anyways. The scam is that you burn more fossil fuel per gallon with corn than you do a petroleum product.

Originally Posted by dd74 (Post 3967396)

The scam is the petroleum products - at least it is today. No one says ethanol is better than gasoline. It is simply an alternative to gasoline - a very good alternative because, just like in the Lotus video, if the engine management is reprogrammed, the car can get virtually the same mileage with a good amount more power.

Originally Posted by dd74 (Post 3968088)

They should keep theirs in better tune. Like mine.

Originally Posted by Mule (Post 3965875)

Manbearpig on the run!

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Originally Posted by dd74 (Post 3968088)

They should keep theirs in better tune. Like mine.

Originally Posted by island911 (Post 3968174)

oh really? ..."free" ...you're going to pour local restaurant waste oil straight into your new Mercedes and think it won't cost you...Big! :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by m21sniper (Post 3968209)

You don't read the news much do you? The ethanol requirements in the US (and elsewhere) are driving food prices through the roof. Ethanol is a scam.

http://www.earth-policy.org/Updates/2008/Update69.htm
http://www.google.com/search?q=ethanol+drives+up+food+prices&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

Ethanol is an economic loser.


Maybe they should just smoke some of what you're smoking instead...

Originally Posted by Mule (Post 3968870)

So exactly what are you tuning on this diesel to nearly double the EPA estimate? You should tell Mercedes!

Originally Posted by dd74 (Post 3967978)

Where I went to college, yes, they were. Dummies through and through.

Originally Posted by Tobra (Post 3969247)

don't be so hard on yourself, where did you find a college full of conservatives, 1958?

Originally Posted by Jim Richards (Post 3969280)

ROFL! And we all liked Ike!

Originally Posted by dd74 (Post 3969207)

It's always an option. Part of life is having "options." While you're sucking gas from a hose out of your wife's car to run your 911 (you do suck, don't you?), I'll do fine with anything from McDonald's to Ruth's Chris. The type of car, Mercedes not withstanding, is inconsequential to me as long as it runs.

Options: you should think that over in your staid little world, little man. :p

Originally Posted by Tobra (Post 3969247)

don't be so hard on yourself, where did you find a college full of conservatives, 1958?

Originally Posted by island911 (Post 3969614)

With diesel costing 25% more than gas, I can see why you're so touchy on the topic.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/suppo...ool_shades.gif

Anyway, have fun sucking from Ronald McDonald to Ruth's Chris .. . Yes, you are the one sucking. And if you want to say your sucking for free, that's your business.

Originally Posted by dd74 (Post 3969625)

:D/:confused:.
Your response is funny. But I don't know why.