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Porsche-O-Phile 06-04-2008 12:04 PM

Half-full/half-empty I guess.

If Obama picks Hillary as a veep, he's a COMPLETE idiot and has basically signed his own death warrant.

M.D. Holloway 06-04-2008 12:07 PM

Not so much the party politician is he - but he does raise a good point, the two would cancel eachother out and provide an absolute fieldday for Team Mac.

Reads like he recognizes that most of the voters voted on emotion and depending on the camp would be violently agin the other. Pretty weak platform but in US politic any thing can and does happen.

Jim Richards 06-04-2008 12:10 PM

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Jimmy Carter - Why would anyone listen to him?!?
Because, in this case, he's right. Hillary will be a disaster for O if he takes her on as his Veep.

Dan in Pasadena 06-04-2008 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Richards (Post 3983666)
Because, in this case, he's right. Hillary will be a disaster for O if he takes her on as his Veep.

I agree. Jimmy's right on this one. I don't think he's saying both candidates are "lousy" at all. He's being truthful; those are the attributes perceived as negatives just like McCain's old age, temperment and ties to Bush's polices are on the other side.

So Hillary had 18 million vote for her, fine....that doesn't mean all 18M will vote for Obama if she's on the ticket. AND he may lose voters that might otherwise vote for him if she weren't on the ticket. She brings as many negatives as positives; probably more.

Tobra 06-04-2008 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Richards (Post 3983666)
Because, in this case, he's right. Hillary will be a disaster for O if he takes her on as his Veep.

It hurt your fingers to type that didn't it?(Mr Carter is right though, ouch, my fingers)

I don't have any idea at all why anyone would listen to him. He is far worse as a former President than when he was in office, and that is saying something.

Jim Richards 06-04-2008 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Tobra (Post 3983680)
It hurt your fingers to type that didn't it?(Mr Carter is right though, ouch, my fingers).

Ouch! Yes, it did. Ouch! :mad:

kach22i 06-04-2008 12:38 PM

Carter can be honest to a fault.

This is a guy who thought having "lust in his heart" was cheating on his wife.

Such a Boy Scout.

He has spoken the truth, I'm sure he will be attacked on all sides for it.

Superman 06-04-2008 12:58 PM

Sure, Carter has lately become a very popular Whipping Boy. But frankly, that does not mean the majority of Americans, or the majority of people, think he's a laughing stock. The Shooting Gallery does of course. But not necessarily the majority. Former President Carter is actually a fairly respected public figure. Again.....outside the Shooting Gallery crowd.

And in this instance, I think he is dead right.

frogger 06-04-2008 01:00 PM

When Obama see's Hillary, he needs to run like the wind.

legion 06-04-2008 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Superman (Post 3983793)
Sure, Carter has lately become a very popular Whipping Boy. But frankly, that does not mean the majority of Americans, or the majority of people, think he's a laughing stock. The Shooting Gallery does of course. But not necessarily the majority. Former President Carter is actually a fairly respected public figure. Again.....outside the Shooting Gallery crowd.

And in this instance, I think he is dead right.

Yes, rampant inflation, job loss, and a Neville Chamberlin-like handle on foreign affairs bring respect. :rolleyes:

The only reason he has any allies today is because he has joined in on the Bush-bashing bandwagon.

In practice, the man has no credibility on any topic.

jyl 06-04-2008 01:06 PM

He is right. Obama should not take Clinton onto the ticket. That would be bad, she'd do a Cheney on him, and Bill would be a wild card.

Carter is a good man, intelligent, and has worked hard for good causes. Wasn't a good President, but that hardly means he's a dummy.

Rick Lee 06-04-2008 01:08 PM

I still think someone needs to answer Wayne's question - Why would anyone listen to Jimmy Carter?

My answer is that I'd listen to him just in case I was unsure of what to do. And then I'd do the exact opposite of what Carter said and sleep very well, knowing I had done absolutely the right thing.

teenerted1 06-04-2008 01:19 PM

so you guys all think that "Habitat for Humanity " is a bad idea?

i was too young to evaluate him as a president but some of what he has done since out of office is pretty good for those involved.

obama and hitlery :eek: what a choice Nader is starting to look pretty good this time ;)

Dan in Pasadena 06-04-2008 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by legion (Post 3983812)
...the man has no credibility on any topic.

To you. Not to everyone. That doesn't make them right nor you. It means you both have opinions.

I imagine George W. bush will issue opinios someday and some people will think he's right. Maybe he will be....if the subject is NASCAR!

Mule 06-04-2008 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kach22i (Post 3983731)
Carter can be honest to a fault.

This is a guy who thought having "lust in his heart" was cheating on his wife.

Such a Boy Scout.

He has spoken the truth, I'm sure he will be attacked on all sides for it.

What's your opinion of Stalin?

Rick Lee 06-04-2008 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by teenerted1 (Post 3983843)
so you guys all think that "Habitat for Humanity " is a bad idea?

i was too young to evaluate him as a president but some of what he has done since out of office is pretty good for those involved.

obama and hitlery :eek: what a choice Nader is starting to look pretty good this time ;)

Habitat is completely apolitical and is no reflection at all on Carter's piss poor judgment on everything having to do with world affairs.

Dan in Pasadena 06-04-2008 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick Lee (Post 3983824)
I still think someone needs to answer Wayne's question - Why would anyone listen to Jimmy Carter?

It has been answered, numerous times. You just don't happen to agree.

Wayne knew the answer when he posed it. He was just rhetorically stating his lack of confidence in the man.

Mule 06-04-2008 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Wayne at Pelican Parts (Post 3983633)
I read this just now. He must be getting senile. He has basically admitted (if you read between the lines) that both candidates really stink. I thought this was really funny. Maybe I'm the only one...

Geez, getting an endorsement from Carter, that's almost like a negative...

-Wayne

I think the answer is here.

http://www.ronpaulwarroom.com/?p=6250

Mule 06-04-2008 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by teenerted1 (Post 3983843)
so you guys all think that "Habitat for Humanity " is a bad idea?

I'd like it a lot better if Yimma put a framing gun to his temple & squeezed one off.

Superman 06-04-2008 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by legion (Post 3983812)
Yes, rampant inflation, job loss, and a Neville Chamberlin-like handle on foreign affairs bring respect. :rolleyes:

The only reason he has any allies today is because he has joined in on the Bush-bashing bandwagon.

In practice, the man has no credibility on any topic.

I know you would never let facts get in the way of your lib-bashing fun and I know I have said this here before but (yeah, I know I'm wasting time with this) inflation was the.....THE.....BIG.....economic problem during the Carter administration. He took office shortly after the formation of OPEC. The nominal price of a barrel of oil in 1973 (average) was $4.75. In 1979 it had risen to $25.10. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Sure, other aspects of his administration can also be called into question but if you remember the situation at that time (you'd have to be over forty, at least), it was damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't.

Again, the world respects Jimmy Carter. But I guess that if you don't look too closely at the facts, he can be your current Whipping Boy.


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