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speedracing944 06-05-2008 10:04 AM

How can I reprogram the shift points in a 2000 Olds minivan?
 
I would like to reprogram the shift points for the tranny in our 2000 olds minivan for improved fuel economy. Does anybody know how I could go about doing this? What equipment do I need? Program?

Speedy:)

Jim Richards 06-05-2008 10:07 AM

I opened this thread hoping to see another gearhead hot rodding the family car, and what do I find? Economizing! WTF? :eek:

Sorry. I hope you can get the answer you seek. :D :D :D

Seahawk 06-05-2008 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Richards (Post 3985594)
I opened this thread hoping to see another gearhead hot rodding the family car, and what do I find? Economizing! WTF? :eek:

No kidding...I was hoping for, "Vans Gone Wild":)

"Reprogram shifts points...for improved fuel economy", on a minivan: I didn't know you could be neutered twice:)

Porsche_monkey 06-05-2008 10:18 AM

Target maket size for that software? 1.

And my guess is you are unlikely to make significant saving in fuel economy.

speedracing944 06-05-2008 10:18 AM

We are getting soaked $150 a week in gas costs and we are living on a limited budget since I am going to school.

Speedy:)

speedracing944 06-05-2008 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PBH (Post 3985617)
Target maket size for that software? 1.

And my guess is you are unlikely to make significant saving in fuel economy.

I am estimating about 10% for mixed driving.

Speedy:)

onewhippedpuppy 06-05-2008 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seahawk (Post 3985611)
No kidding...I was hoping for, "Vans Gone Wild":)

"Reprogram shifts points...for improved fuel economy", on a minivan: I didn't know you could neutered twice:)

Ouch.:D

Jims5543 06-05-2008 10:20 AM

One word.

Hydrogen Gererator.

onewhippedpuppy 06-05-2008 10:20 AM

Drive less? Buy a Civic? Motorcycle? Bike?

onewhippedpuppy 06-05-2008 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Cesiro (Post 3985630)
One word.

Hydrogen Gererator.

Math was never really my forte', but..........

Porsche_monkey 06-05-2008 10:23 AM

10% seems optimistic.

Why wouldn't GM do that from the factory? What are you going to sacrifice in drivability to get that?

But you can get 10% by doing maintenance, and driving carefully.

speedracing944 06-05-2008 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 3985631)
Drive less? Buy a Civic? Motorcycle? Bike?

These suggestions have already been implemented with the exception of the motorcycle. I have one but will not ride it any longer due to safety concerns. Even though I don't have a Civic I do have a crappy Saturn which I may swap out final drive ratios for a SL1 gearing.

Speedy:)

gr8fl4porsche 06-05-2008 10:26 AM

I find it hard to believe a manufacturer leaves 10% fuel economy on the table due to shift points.

Shift it manually for a while to test your theory.

speedracing944 06-05-2008 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PBH (Post 3985640)
10% seems optimistic.

Why wouldn't GM do that from the factory? What are you going to sacrifice in drivability to get that?

But you can get 10% by doing maintenance, and driving carefully.

I have gone from 22 mpg to 26 mpg by driving s l o w e r (AKA speedlimit)

What I want to do is..
1)Have it hold OD longer during slightly more throttle input like going up a hill
2)I want it to immediately shift back into OD during throttle lift off and reapplication. Right now it takes 2 seconds to shift back into OD
3) lower rpm shift points for 2nd and 3rd gear during light throttle applications. 4th seams OK as it is.
4) lower the temperature the engine has to reach before the tranny will shift into OD during cold start. This alone will see an increase of %50 during the first 3 miles driven.

Speedy:)

Jims5543 06-05-2008 10:39 AM

Just a hunch, are you getting an engineering degree?

speedracing944 06-05-2008 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Cesiro (Post 3985678)
Just a hunch, are you getting an engineering degree?

Mechanical Engineering :)

Speedy:)

tcar 06-05-2008 10:45 AM

You're worried about a 2 second lag in OD shift?

Oversize tires pumped up to 45psi

Cardboard in front of radiator to get it up to temp faster.

speedracing944 06-05-2008 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tcar (Post 3985699)
You're worried about a 2 second lag in OD shift?

Oversize tires pumped up to 45psi

Cardboard in front of radiator to get it up to temp faster.

Tires pumped up to 45 psi... Check! already done.
Cardboard in front of radiator.... Check! done in winter time and taken out now.


Anybody know how to go about getting the software to do this????

Speedy:)

Porsche_monkey 06-05-2008 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by speedracing944 (Post 3985726)
Anybody know how to go about getting the software to do this????

Speedy:)

We all have it we're just not going to share it until you graduate. SmileWavy

Scott R 06-05-2008 11:09 AM

Good luck with this, the tool for accessing the computer portion of the GM transmissions comes in a huge suitcase, and its very, very, proprietary. A modification of the governor valve would be easier.

speedracing944 06-05-2008 11:50 AM

That is what I was fearing but I was hopeful somebody out there knows how I could still pull this off.

Speedy:)

tcar 06-05-2008 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by speedracing944 (Post 3985726)
Tires pumped up to 45 psi... Check! already done.
Cardboard in front of radiator.... Check! done in winter time and taken out now.

I said OVERSIZE tires. Get them used. Raises the effective final drive ratio. If you don't have a lot of stopand go, and few hills, it would help a hellofalot more than the 2 sec OD delay.

Do the cardboard now, too, was my point, until it's warmed up.

You an engineer?

Palum6o 06-05-2008 12:12 PM

I wonder if you could do an ECU reset like you can with the benz, key in to on (but not start), hold gas pedal down for 5 sec, then turn off while foot still on pedal?? Then waiting 2 minutes or something like that.

legion 06-05-2008 12:26 PM

Hey Speedy, what kind of motorcycle do you have laying around?

Dan in Pasadena 06-05-2008 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Cesiro (Post 3985630)
One word.

Hydrogen Gererator.

One word, huh?:rolleyes:

Two words, "Flux Capacitor":D

teenerted1 06-05-2008 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seahawk (Post 3985611)
No kidding...I was hoping for, "Vans Gone Wild":)

"Reprogram shifts points...for improved fuel economy", on a minivan: I didn't know you could be neutered twice:)

do you want to do this before or after we revoke your MANCARD.:rolleyes:

speedracing944 06-05-2008 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by legion (Post 3985875)
Hey Speedy, what kind of motorcycle do you have laying around?

'83 Honda Magna V45

Speedy:)

speedracing944 06-05-2008 02:55 PM

Mancard? I don't think I have ever received such a thing. Maybe that is my problem...

The 5 second hold the pedal down deal is what you do to reset the oil change monitor.

Is there no pirate software out there for this type of thing?

Speedy:)

oldE 06-05-2008 03:06 PM

Speedy,

Pardon my foggy memory, but didn't the GM minivans (3.4L with 4 sp. auto) have, after the first couple of years, adaptive programming in the transmission control modules?

For a while, my employer at the time had me driving Chev Ventures and I seem to recall reading about that feature. I had little problem getting the consumption down to 9 litres/100 likometers (getting close to 30 mpg) in rural and highway driving.

Your right foot is the biggest factor.

Les

Mule 06-05-2008 03:07 PM

Jegs.com

Mule 06-05-2008 03:09 PM

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legion 06-05-2008 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by speedracing944 (Post 3986135)
'83 Honda Magna V45

Speedy:)

If you decide you want to get rid of it, give me a buzz...

After the 951 sells, of course.*

*The above statement was mandated by my wife.

Scott R 06-05-2008 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Palumbo (Post 3985860)
I wonder if you could do an ECU reset like you can with the benz, key in to on (but not start), hold gas pedal down for 5 sec, then turn off while foot still on pedal?? Then waiting 2 minutes or something like that.

If it has the digital climate control he can hold "off" and "warmer" for five seconds and get access to the ecu, but you still can't reprogram it without very expensive tools.

David 06-06-2008 05:46 AM

These guys could probably reprogram your ECU for better mileage http://www.wait4meperformance.com/

They programmed the ECU on my last truck.


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