It's nothing new. I can't remember what the recipe is, but instead of buying 2 twelve ounce cans, now I buy 3 ten'ers.

Regardless, Jeff's remarks don't reflect the gas price increase from the brewer to the pub, or the cost to get the ingredients to the micro, and the last thing that that pancho at the bar wants to see is his beer price raised... That kind of stuff starts bar fights, against the bartender, and owner.

Affects me not one bit, but I don't think it's right.

Very true, a 12oz glass of Bud cost about .14 cents, you generally pay around $2.50, $3.00 for that, + tip. Of course, the cost of the lease, insurance, glassware, pay role, ect, ect, ect................. Of course, the food, bottles, premiums, pool tables & table top games(I had one client who swore his 6 pool tables paid his lease, beer cost & pay roll) so there is money to be made, if you do it right.

My personal mug:D
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Beer glasses are getting smaller!
Are the goggles still the same size?

For those who do not know, all Guiness Draught is made in Dublin. They do not license this product to any other manufacturer or to any other country. (Though Guinness Stout is brewed under licence internationally in several countries, including Nigeria and Indonesia)

Because the draught is made in Ireland and shipped, the export version contains preservatives. Also, they are not as "factory fresh". This is much of what causes a difference in flavor from what you taste here in the states vs. what you taste when you're local.

And according to my friends there, the "Ice" version is nothing more than a marketing gimmick - it's the same beer, relabeled and marketed to a younger crowd.

but aren't 'ice' beers supposed to go through a freezing process that happens to up the alcohol % and concentrates the flavors?

Fan - that's probably true of other "ice" beers.

I used the word "ice" erroneously. Actually, the Guinness product is called "Guinness Cold".

At the pub, it is the draft beer that is run through a cooling device so that it is dispensed at around 38F.

Walked to a bar for a quick beer while getting new tires on the Jag:D
Notice the bottom of the mug:rolleyes:

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Ive been home brewing for a few yrs now. Like Jeff said, its pretty damn cheap to make. It gets my goat when I go to a hockey game or a race and get charged $6 for a 16oz cup of Bud light.:mad:

Really? That's interesting. Because one of the few things that hasn't gone metric in the UK is the beer measure, which is still sold in either half or full Imperial pints. An Imperial pint is 20 fl oz - it's illegal to sell draught beer or cider in metric units. http://www.metric.org.uk/legislation.htm

Pre-packaged supermarket beer may be sold in metric units. 500 ml is 16 fl oz. Which /is/ a short measure to Brits, but a full pint in the US.

actually, that's not true

it says that Metric must be used for all trade, with an exception made for Beer and Milk
eg it's illegal to use Imperial, except when dealing with beer and milk
and you may use Metric for those, if you wanted too

Sorry, not true. Guinness in Africa is brewed there. Accounts for about 40% of worldwide sales. According to this http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4906858.stm link, Guinness is brewed locally in "more than 50 countries worldwide"

Guinness in the UK (south of Liverpool, the story went) used to be bewed in Park Royal, London, although production shifted to Dublin in 2005.

Dublin does brew the US-bound Guinness, although Guinness for export is not the same stuff you buy draught in Ireland. It either has more preservatives or is more aggressively pasteurized. (I can't drink import British beer in the US, it's just a sad travesty of what it should taste like).

And canned Guinness is horrid just about everywhere. IMHO.

It's optional for milk.

Not for draught beer or cider. It's illegal.

That's from the pro-metric website I posted earlier.

From Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metrication_in_the_United_Kingdom I was there 6 months ago. Certainly wasn't served metric glasses in the pub.

well, you'll have to post better sources then
your first link in the initial post did not state it was illegal to sell beer in metric

The Wiki source ain't good enough to overturn that first source,i quoted a link from that document, to the actual legal text
and that legal text it does not say "illegal to use metric for beer"

further more, how would that work for foreign beers, not available in imperial?

i don't argue that the Brits won't use metric for pints in the pub, that's a tradition they would rather fight then accept, but you say it's illegal, and the text you initially quoted does not say that

Stijn old chap, I'm not overly concerned whether you believe me or not - but you don't address the fact that the UK PRO-METRIC lobby state that it's illegal and call for it to be reformed.

The sale of draught beer is regulated, and only standard size glasses are approved - they are clearly marked. I've gazed at enough of them...

To get back on topic, the Canadians are also concerned about being ripped off for beer http://www.pist.ca/article.php/21pf.

My original question:
"I have the opposite opinion. In the UK and Ireland the beer alcohol content-either by weight or volume- seems very low. The taste of Guiness is normal, unless you order the "Ice" keg now popular." John_AZ

To clarify, I was referring to the "Alcohol" content and not the ounces in the glass.

Beer alcohol by brand if your interested:
http://www.realbeer.com/edu/health/calories.php

The alcohol level in the US seems much higher than the alcohol in a pint at a pub in the UK or France. I don't get the same buzz after 3 pints. It tastes OK but has the effect of what I call "Near Beer" (~1% alcohol) they sell in the US.

John_AZ