Originally Posted by cairns (Post 4012679)

"The root cause of the over reactions to the incident lie with the initial report about an IED being inaccurate. Whoever sent out the first PR statement from the Marines started all of this."

Absolutely amazing....you STILL blame the Marines. If you had a shred of decency or intelligence you'd read Jeff's post above and take it to heart.

But I'm not holding my breath....

Originally Posted by Joeaksa (Post 4012167)

Please, do not hold back. This is Pelican OT. Tell us how you really feel! :)

~~~~

From the story that Randy posted:

""This is the most important case since Vietnam, if not before," Rooney said. "There's no doubt about it."

He noted the New York Times featured the case on the front page when it was being compared by war critics to the infamous My Lai massacre in Vietnam. But now, with evidence the Haditha accusations were a smear, the story has been relegated to the back pages.

"All the information I get, it comes from the commanders, it comes from people who know what they're talking about," Murtha told reporters at the time.

Murtha's assertions, however, conflicted with results from the military's own investigations. An initial probe by Army Col. G.A. Watt found no indications coalition forces "intentionally targeted, engaged and killed noncombatants." Later, Army Maj. Gen. Aldon Bargewell found no cover-up."

Murtha really needs to get taken to court over this and hope that the Marines that he slandered win.

Originally Posted by jeff Higgins (Post 4012398)

absolutely. Accross Party Lines. This Is Not A "republican Vs. Democrat" Issue That Should Be Politicized.

As A Side Note, However, I Think It Remains Clear That "left Wingers" Jumped On The Lynching Bandwagon, While "right Wingers" Did Not. "democrat" Is Not Always Synonomous With "left Winger", Nor Is "republican" Synonomous With "right Winger". There Is Way Too Much Cross Breeding To Make Such Generalizations About Parties. So Let's Not Play A Tit For Tat Game Trying To See Our Left Wingers And Raise Us One Right Winger. That Is Not What This Is About.

There Exists A Faction In Our Society That Appears To Firmly Believe Our Military, And The People Who Deploy It Are Evil. That Same Faction Seems To Believe The Terrorists Of Our World Are Not; That They Are Merely Misunderstood. They Give Terrorists Every Break Imaginable; Every Benefit Of The Doubt. In Stark Contrast, They Never Hesitate To Jump On The Bandwagon (often On The Sketchiest Of "evidence") To Accuse, Try, And Convict Our Men. Not In A Court Of Law, But In Their Press. These Folks Tend To Be Of The "liberal" Persuasion; Not Necessarily Of, Or Exclusive To, The Democratic Party.

In Typical Liberal Fashion, They Follow Their Hearts More So Than Their Minds. In Spite Of Their Constant Claims Of Having "open Minds" (especially When Compared To Those Of Conservatives), They Are Unshakeable In Their Beliefs. Beliefs Originating In Their Hearts, Not Their Minds. "facts" That Support Those Heartfelt Beliefs Are Readily Accepted As Such, Regardless Of A Lack Of Supporting Evidence. Real Facts That Contradict Those Heartfelt Beliefs Are Just As Quickly Dismissed, Regardless Of The Evidence Supporting Them.

That Is What We See Playing Out Before Us In This Case. The Liberal Mindset Was Very Quick To Eagerly Accept Their Guilt, Long Before Any Evidence Of Any Substance Came To Light. Now That The Evidence Has Been Collected, Now That It Has Been Presented In Court And Found To Be Either Lacking, Non-existant, Or Outright False, The Liberal Mind Either Ignores Or Rejects That Evidence. It Does Not Fit With Their Heartfelt Beliefs That Our Military Men Are Inherently Evil. The "open" Liberal Mind Simply Cannot Digest That. The Liberal Personna Cannot Admit It Was Wrong About Such A Matter. Everyone In Their Liberal Circles Just knows These Things, After All. It Really Is A Bizarre Way To Digest Facts And Data, And It Is Pretty Much The Provence Of The Liberal. Conservatives Tend To Weigh Facts And Data before Arriving At A Conclusion. Liberals Arrive At A Conclusion, In Their Hearts, And Then Looks For "facts" And "data" To Support It, Picking And Choosing Along The Way.

Originally Posted by Flatbutt1 (Post 4012603)

Having the charges dropped doesn't mean it DID happen either.

Originally Posted by rcecale (Post 4012019)

Here's a link to another version of the article.

This should play out quite interestingly, IMHO.

Haditha Marine prepares to sue Murtha over smear


Randy

Originally Posted by m21sniper (Post 4014240)

Good. I hope the devil dog can extract a pound of flesh from murtha's ass.

Originally Posted by Danimal16 (Post 4017083)

Murtha should know better!! He should have waited for the investigation to run its course. It really bugs me that a Marine O6 would not have the wearwithall or the patience to allow these devil dogs their constitutional protections! His record indicates that he has had the experience to know the impacts of such preliminary statements. It hurt the Corps and he has not appoligized for this terrible lack of judgement or leadership. For that he is a POS. Until such a time that he acknowledges his damage to these men and the Corps he will remain a POS. His past performance, record or reputation do not answer the mail, he owes these men for what he put them through. And until such a time as he acknowledges that he is a POS.

And the above rant is the main reason that we need real beer in Ramadi!

Originally Posted by FOG (Post 4017413)

DAnimal,

There are many who firmly believe that Rep. Murtha is not accurately called a Marine or a former Marine.

A Sea Bee should know the more accurate description is EX Marine.

I am shocked that a Sea Bee hasn’t been locate the adult beverages.

S/F, FOG

Originally Posted by FOG (Post 4017413)

DAnimal,

There are many who firmly believe that Rep. Murtha is not accurately called a Marine or a former Marine.

A Sea Bee should know the more accurate description is EX Marine.

S/F, FOG