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Rot 911 06-23-2008 07:23 AM

Matt a 944 will make a good daily driver if it is a decent car to start with. And no matter what 944 you get if it hasn't just had the timing belt changed, change it!

On the other hand you can get a very nice Honda or Toyota for $5K that will probably drive a long time without needing any maintenance.

Porsche-O-Phile 06-23-2008 08:07 AM

A 968 engine with an S2 transmission is quite a combination too. WAY more low-end acceleration than a 944 would ever be expected to have.

Tishabet 06-23-2008 08:19 AM

I've had my 89 944 NA as a daily driver since Feb. 2003, have managed to put a little over 50k miles on it in that time. I drive it year-round here in the Boston area, it has been extremely reliable in all kinds of conditions, gets 24-25 mpg with some spirited driving, and it's fun to drive. I average about $1,500/year in maintenance costs, but I also do my own wrenching.

JavaBrewer 06-23-2008 08:48 AM

Matt, yes, you are insane. That $5K 944 will most likely turn into a $8-10K+ 944 that's still worth <$5K. Show your wife that the college degree was not wasted. Pull the trigger on a reliable DD. ;)

John_AZ 06-23-2008 09:01 AM

I think Matt was pulling our leg a bit. In his signature line he has owned a 1987 951.
Use the $5000 as a down payment on a Cayman.

John_AZ

Porsche-O-Phile 06-23-2008 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by dmoolenaar (Post 4018700)
Matt, yes, you are insane. That $5K 944 will most likely turn into a $8-10K+ 944 that's still worth <$5K. Show your wife that the college degree was not wasted. Pull the trigger on a reliable DD. ;)

I disagree.

For $5,000 you can get a pretty nicely sorted-out 944 n/a. I doubt you'd need to put that much into it and even if you DID end up putting $8k-$10k into it, you're still only talking about a total loss of $4k-$5k versus tens of thousands of dollars of loss in depreciation on a newer vehicle.

Read my earlier post. The single greatest factor to consider is depreciation. It NEVER makes sense to buy new. Ever. Depreciation will eat you alive if you do anything other than buy used/depreciated out.

JavaBrewer 06-23-2008 09:46 AM

I never suggested Matt buy a new vehicle, just something more reasonable, a civic like car that will run 200K miles with oil changes, brakes, and tires. It sounds like Matt is at the stage in his life where he needs reliable transportation, is averse to taking on debt, and is operating on limited funds.

nostatic 06-23-2008 09:51 AM

I suppose if you're great at diy a 944 could be viable, but if you're a checkbook mechanic forget it. Isn't the rear window worth more than the whole car? Or is that just the 924. Plus I remember driving a 944 some time ago and being completely underwhelmed...I think a civic hatchback would be as lively and cost a lot less to keep running.

the 06-23-2008 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile (Post 4018753)

Read my earlier post. The single greatest factor to consider is depreciation. It NEVER makes sense to buy new. Ever. Depreciation will eat you alive if you do anything other than buy used/depreciated out.

Totally agree with that. Bought a new car, once, and won't do that again.

No one is a bigger fan of the cars from the 80s, particularly the mid-80s, than I am. I was late teens, early 20s, and an absolute car fanatic. Those were my car-formative years, and anything from the mid 80s (cars or motorcycles) are very near and dear to my heart.

That being said, it is sad to finally have to let them go, as DDs. IMO, as a group, they are just getting too old. Most from the era have fully crapped out AC, blown out shocks, and need to have pretty much every bushing in the suspension replaced to make them drive nice again. Most have at least some part of the electrical system failing, and even the Motronic wiring harnesses are getting a little crispy, causing all sorts of headaches. Basically, just about every moving part (and most of the non-moving parts, like seats, dashes, etc.) are just getting worn out.

10 years ago, they were still great, and really great bargains. 10 years from now they will for the most part be gone. Today, yeah, really nice examples have some economical life in them, but the majority at this point don't IMO make economic sense any more. The value is too low, the work needed is too much.

Jim Richards 06-23-2008 09:52 AM

used Miata.

Porsche-O-Phile 06-23-2008 10:06 AM

OK sounds like you and I agree more than we disagree on this David. There are some decent deals to be had on used Hondas & Toyotas and they're reasonably cheap to insure. However for about the same money (or slightly more) one can get a 944 that's actually fun to drive and you can feel enthusiastic about. It's pretty hard to feel enthusiastic in a Civic. They're about as exciting as washing machines. However I'll agree - it's hard to beat their #'s in terms of operating cost per mile. The 944 would likely come in a little bit more expensive, but for most of us here I'd suspect the slight additional cost would be worth it to drive something we enjoy. . .

Get the 944. There are too many of them out there that need good homes.

Racerbvd 06-23-2008 10:18 AM

If you are looking for a cheap, reliable DD that gets good mileage, an old CRX is the ticket.


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The Honda CR-X, originally launched as the Honda Ballade Sports CR-X in Japan, was a compact front-wheel-drive sports car manufactured by Honda. The first generation CR-X was sold in some regions outside Japan as the Honda Civic CR-X. The name "CR-X" and what its acronym stands for is widely disputed, the most popular being "Civic Renaissance model X".

The Honda Civic CR-X was first produced in 1984 and was a lightweight sport hatchback. In the American market, the CR-X was marketed as an economy sport hatchback, having room for just two passengers. European markets, however, received a more powerful ZC 130 hp engine and 2+2 seats. Redesigned in 1987 and produced to 1991, the CR-X was popular for its performance, nimble handling, and good fuel economy. In the US its performance model, the Si (note: 1590cc SOHC (D16A6) engined, unlike the JDM Si 1590cc (ZC) DOHC), was a favorite. Honda's 1992 Del Sol was marketed as a CR-X in some markets.

The original 1.3 liter car and the later American-market CR-X HF (High Fuel economy) model could reliably achieve very good gas mileage, more than a decade before gas-electric hybrids appeared on the market, and at no price premium over the base model; the 1.3 liter was rated (at current ratings) at 41 mpg city and 50 mpg highway.[1] The Japanese Si and European 1.6i-16 models came with a 1590cc DOHC engine putting out 130 bhp. Though similar versions of the same engine, the Japanese Si engine was stamped ZC, whilst the European engine was stamped D16A9.
Not as cool as a 944, but you can mod the susp & still get great mileage. One of the local PCA guys has a CRX-si and made it his DD, sold his 993 TT and bought a 952 but drives the honda the most:eek:

nostatic 06-23-2008 10:21 AM

CRX is cool but sadly I need a back seat. I've pondered selling the Audi and buying a cheaper DD so I no longer have a car payment. I'm thinking Subara as I need a wagon to carry my music crap. I wish I'd never sold my '05 Impreza but mistakes were made...and likely continue to be made :p. The upside is the Audi has a warranty until 2012.

m21sniper 06-23-2008 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile (Post 4017934)
For a track car I completely agree it's a good idea. For street-use cars I think it's very foolish. I've NEVER been a fan of the "delete" kits for street 951s. I've always kind of looked upon it as cheap and a "cop-out" versus actually fixing the system for proper operation.

If you REALLY want to delete the system (such as one would do for a track car), I'd remove the evaporator assembly and connecting hoses too. That probably weighs another good 20-odd pounds or more. Too many guys just chuck the compressor, put the bracket on it and call it an "upgrade". First time they get in a rainstorm with the windows misting up without the benefit of the drying air from the compressor on the "defrost" circuit, they regret it.

For a track car, sure. For a street car, it's almost always indicative of someone who didn't want to put the $$$ into fixing things properly - which begs the question, "what else did they skimp on?" Ya know what I mean?

That cone thingy with the hose on the back of the alternator makes things a pain in the butt. I agree 100%!

The full delete is what i did with my 928S. Condenser, hoses, compressor- gone.

Rot 911 06-23-2008 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim Richards (Post 4018822)
used Miata.

Actually that is not a bad idea!

Jim Richards 06-23-2008 11:14 AM

That's my forte. :)

m21sniper 06-23-2008 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Kurt V (Post 4019004)
Actually that is not a bad idea!

In this fuel climate, and in the summer on top of it (drop top), you'll pay a hefty premium to get into a Miata right now unless you get super lucky.

Porsche-O-Phile 06-23-2008 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by m21sniper (Post 4019009)
In this fuel climate, and in the summer on top of it (drop top), you'll pay a hefty premium to get into a Miata right now unless you get super lucky.

AND the Miata might help you get "super lucky". Well, if guys are your thing. :)

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Racerbvd 06-23-2008 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile (Post 4019148)
AND the Miata might help you get "super lucky". Well, if guys are your thing. :)

Sorry, couldn't resist.

I was waiting for that one!!! But the Spec Miata class is very competitive & a fun class.

onewhippedpuppy 06-24-2008 08:56 PM

My Saab has helped me see the light. Of course, the light I'd prefer to see is it going up in flames (ala Jeff's 951), but it has instead provided me with enlightenment. Short of buying a 944 with EVERYTHING replaced, this is a stupid idea. Because no matter what, a 21 year old car will always need SOMETHING. And I'm tired of broken cars that I have to drive every day. Case in point, my Saab air conditioning that is operating perfectly, except blowing hot air. Lovely when it's upper 90s and humid. So, I'll simply force myself to replace the Saab with something boring, reasonable, and reliable. Then hate it.


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