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Dottore 06-27-2008 09:37 PM

Computer question....
 
This may be obscure - but any help is much appreciated.

We bought a couple new Apples for the oldies and had them installed today. Mom's works perfectly. Dad's works perfectly, EXCEPT he is unable to SEND e-mails (though he can receive them).

All ISP protocols have been entered correctly and confirmed (numerous times). Both computers run off a wireless (Lynksys) router. I'm assuming the router is not the problem because one computer works perfectly - and even the one that cannot send e-mails can receive them.

Even weirder, I can send e-mails on Dad's machine by doing this via the ISP's webmail feature - but not directly.

The ISP tech support guys are baffled - and I am at my wits end.

Can any of you guys point me in the right direction?

slodave 06-27-2008 09:42 PM

Even though its been checked and rechecked... Any off chance that the option to use outgoing server authentication is not checked (or vice versa)?

It's not weird that you can send via webmail... The handshakes are handled differently.

kstar 06-27-2008 09:45 PM

Yup, seems like an SMTP server setting!

Dottore 06-27-2008 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slodave (Post 4028911)
Even though its been checked and rechecked... Any off chance that the option to use outgoing server authentication is not checked (or vice versa)?

I have checked and re-checked these protocols all evening. I am as close to certain as I can be that there are no errors in these. I have also compared them to the working computer, and they are identical except for names and passwords.

kstar 06-27-2008 09:52 PM

Are both machines using the same mail service provider?

Dottore 06-27-2008 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kstarnes (Post 4028925)
Are both machines using the same mail service provider?

Yes. Same ISP. Same router. Same settings - except for user names and passwords.

kstar 06-27-2008 10:01 PM

For the heck if it, maybe try the working mail account info on the machine that can't send mail, and vice-versa.

FWIW.

slodave 06-27-2008 10:03 PM

I was thinking of that too. Have you checked for lint in the smtp port?

kstar 06-27-2008 10:05 PM

Also, are you using Apple's Mail.app?

If so, have you gone into the advanced SMTP settings? There are four different authentication protocols and a place to set a server port number and enable/disable SSL.

kstar 06-27-2008 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slodave (Post 4028936)
I was thinking of that too. Have you checked for lint in the smtp port?

It may just need a port cleaning and some socket lube.

Dottore 06-27-2008 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kstarnes (Post 4028934)
For the heck if it, maybe try the working mail account info on the machine that can't send mail, and vice-versa.

FWIW.


I'll try this tomorrow. (I'm at home now.) What would this tell me if it works? Or doesn't?

kstar 06-27-2008 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dottore (Post 4028944)
I'll try this tomorrow. (I'm at home now.) What would this tell me if it works? Or doesn't?

It could mean the password and/or username for the SMTP server (send mail part) on the machine that is now not working is wrong.

Dottore 06-27-2008 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slodave (Post 4028936)
I was thinking of that too. Have you checked for lint in the smtp port?

at the risk of appearing a complete idiot - what/where is the smtp port?

Dottore 06-27-2008 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kstarnes (Post 4028948)
It could mean the password and/or username for the SMTP server (send mail part) on the machine that is now not working is wrong.

but I double and triple checked these with the ISP tech support.

kstar 06-27-2008 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dottore (Post 4028949)
at the risk of appearing a complete idiot - what/where is the smtp port?

I think Dave is pulling your proxy. :)

slodave 06-27-2008 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dottore (Post 4028949)
at the risk of appearing a complete idiot - what/where is the smtp port?

It's still Friday. :D:p

kstar 06-27-2008 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kstarnes (Post 4028942)
Also, are you using Apple's Mail.app?

If so, have you gone into the advanced SMTP settings? There are four different authentication protocols and a place to set a server port number and enable/disable SSL.

How about the above?

edit: Make sure the advanced settings are identical on both machines. If they are, I am stumped.

Stomachmonkey is an expert on the Mac stuff, so maybe he'll chime in!

Dottore 06-27-2008 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kstarnes (Post 4028943)
It may just need a port cleaning and some socket lube.

feck me, I think I could use a port cleaning and some socket lube.

Dottore 06-27-2008 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kstarnes (Post 4028942)
Also, are you using Apple's Mail.app?

If so, have you gone into the advanced SMTP settings? There are four different authentication protocols and a place to set a server port number and enable/disable SSL.

Yes. I've been there. Talked it through with the tech support guy three times. He tells me its all kosher.

kstar 06-27-2008 10:19 PM

Try a hail mary; restart the machine and see what happens.

I am at the end of the road for my knowledge base.

Good luck!


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