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RWebb 07-01-2008 10:38 AM

Here's some High Tech for Ya
 
http://www.technologyreview.com/Energy/20740/

I'd hate for these guys to get a huge start on us...

Danny_Ocean 07-01-2008 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by RWebb (Post 4035320)
I'd hate for these guys to get a huge start on us...

Umm...looks like they already have (and they're doing it with the money we send them for oil...). :o

IROC 07-01-2008 10:48 AM

We work on a lot of that same kind of stuff here where I work - the DOE just doesn't have pockets of unlimited depth like those guys...

john70t 07-01-2008 10:55 AM

....."The city, which is expected to cost $22 billion".....

Uhhhh, how much did Iwreck cost again? Our secret government won't release the official figures, but I suspect it was/is a little more than that.

kstar 07-01-2008 10:57 AM

They have a huge head-start, are wealthy and not buried in over $9T in national debt.

See China as well.

Best,

kach22i 07-01-2008 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Danny_Ocean (Post 4035346)
Umm...looks like they already have (and they're doing it with the money we send them for oil...). :o

Don't forget the drug money because of the open trade ports.

RWebb 07-01-2008 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Wayne at Pelican Parts (Post 4035354)
Huge subsidies that can only exist in oil-rich Dubai. Nice test tube though...

-Wayne


Think of it as us outsourcing the R&D...

Jim Richards 07-01-2008 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by kstarnes (Post 4035380)
They have a huge head-start, are wealthy and not buried in over $9T in national debt.

See China as well.

Best,

Meh. We can make world class fast food, and we're second to none in reality and talent TV shows.

sammyg2 07-01-2008 02:18 PM

LOL, oh yeah that'll work. For at least a month, after they spend a couple of years getting the bugs out. then it'll all crash and they'll either walk away or turn it into a more conventional city.

it sounds better on paper that it really is guys. Most of that pie in the sky BS is based more on wishful thinking than science.

m21sniper 07-01-2008 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Richards (Post 4035793)
Meh. We can make world class fast food, and we're second to none in reality and talent TV shows.

We're second to none in a lot of things, actually.

It's not all bad, all doom and gloom. No one on earth can build anything even remotely as good as these:

http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/...rf_375x300.jpg

Let me know when China can build anything anywhere near as good as one of these, at any price:

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Jim727 07-01-2008 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by m21sniper (Post 4035815)
We're second to none in a lot of things, actually.

It's not all bad, all doom and gloom. No one on earth can build anything even remotely as good as these:

http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/...rf_375x300.jpg

Let me know when China can build anything anywhere near as good as one of these, at any price:

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Su-37

Jim727 07-01-2008 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by kstarnes (Post 4035380)
They have a huge head-start, are wealthy and not buried in over $9T in national debt.

See China as well.

Best,

And Brazil.

m21sniper 07-01-2008 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim727 (Post 4035833)
Su-37

No stealth, electronics are like childs toys compared to a raptor. Radar isn't even remotely comparable either. Nor is the engine technology.

The SU-37 is also just a (vastly inferior) tech demonstrator, not a production aircraft.

Guess again.

Jim727 07-01-2008 02:36 PM

Disagree. F-22 is a great airplane, but too high-tech. For a beyond visual range missile shot they are unequalled. Trouble is, the first thing the pilot will be required to do is make visual ident of the target. It's also too expensive. The USAF needs adult supervision and get their tech and budget excesses in check. The Su-37 will eat an F-22 in a dogfight, imo.

m21sniper 07-01-2008 02:40 PM

An F-22 can out turn any plane in existance in the -real world- because of the new state of the art G suit US pilots wear, that allow sustained manuevers in excess of 11g's. Not that an F-22 would even have to turn to shoot one. It has a helmet mounted sight and AIM-9X. And the F-22s ECM/ECCM suite is another area that is absolutely without match, anywhere.

What's more, the F-22s real value is as penetrating and/or stand-off strike fighter.

And again, the SU-37 is a -tech demonstrator- that is in all ways inferior.

Here's another US toy that has no equal in the world.

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RWebb 07-01-2008 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wayne at Pelican Parts (Post 4035354)
Huge subsidies that can only exist in oil-rich Dubai. Nice test tube though...

-Wayne


Think of it as us outsourcing the R&D...

Jim727 07-01-2008 02:45 PM

At least USAF (grudgingly) put a gun on the F-22. The Su- series is more than a demonstrator, btw.

Sorry, can't see your vid.

Jim Richards 07-01-2008 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 4035811)
LOL, oh yeah that'll work. For at least a month, after they spend a couple of years getting the bugs out. then it'll all crash and they'll either walk away or turn it into a more conventional city.

it sounds better on paper that it really is guys. Most of that pie in the sky BS is based more on wishful thinking than science.

Are you a scientist?

RWebb 07-01-2008 02:52 PM

this got military in a hurry....

well, as much fun as our planes and other single weapons are, they are not the real advantage

what we have that others don't and won't for some time is AWACS, JSTARS and other platforms that INTEGRATE INFORMATION IN-theater. Right there, right now, in real time.

kstar 07-01-2008 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 4035811)
LOL, oh yeah that'll work. For at least a month, after they spend a couple of years getting the bugs out. then it'll all crash and they'll either walk away or turn it into a more conventional city.

it sounds better on paper that it really is guys. Most of that pie in the sky BS is based more on wishful thinking than science.

The govt. says it's an experiment:

Quote:

One of the main purposes of the city is to find out what works and what doesn't. This experiment will continue even after the city is completed in eight years; "innovation hubs" throughout the city will test new technologies, including some developed at the new Masdar Institute of Science and Technology. The school is being developed in partnership with MIT, which is selecting faculty and designing curricula.
They have MIT on board re the school, which is smart.

The experimental city is an incredibly wise and forward thinking move, for which the folks in Abu Dhabi should be congratulated.


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