snowman and his bud's weighed in on this issue a while back:

Nation's Snowmen March Against Global Warming

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WASHINGTON, DC—Braving balmy temperatures and sunny skies, millions of scarfless snowmen and snowwomen gathered in cities across the world Tuesday to raise public awareness about the heavy toll global warming is taking on their health and well-being.

According to organizers of marches in Washington, Atlanta, Montreal, Berlin, London, Reykjavik, and Moscow, global warming is the primary cause of the steep reduction in the snowman population throughout the Northern Hemisphere. Demonstrators worldwide called on their governments to take more aggressive steps to reduce the effects of climate change.

Organizers estimated the crowd at more than 375,000, but D.C. Police Commissioner Charles Stacey estimated turnout at 30,000 whole snowmen, with scattered rounded abdomens accounting for an additional 5,000. Atlanta organizers and police agree that all demonstrators had melted by 11 a.m.

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Larry Chilly speaks out against mankind's global irresponsibility.

Joe Centigrade, president of the Advocates For Beings Of Frozen Precipitation, spoke at a mass rally Tuesday on Washington's National Mall.

"The unseasonably warm winters of the recent past are a clear indication of a real environmental threat to humans and their frozen simulacra," said Centigrade, his coals arranged in a frowning pattern. "As snowmen and snowwomen, we accept the inevitability of melting, but the actions of man are causing us to evaporate well before our time."

Speakers at the Washington rally included a Chicago snowwoman who had lost three snowchildren to warm temperatures, the Rev. Jesse Jackson, and Larry Chilly, formerly a 6-foot-tall, triple-segmented Muncie, IN snowman, who had been reduced to a slushy head.

Centigrade told the slowly melting snowcrowd that as recently as 15 years ago, the average life span of a snowperson built in late December was three weeks to a month. Today, that same snowperson has an average life span of two weeks.

Centigrade also recounted stories of once-jolly snowmen unable to keep their carrot noses in their fast-melting faces, and of others who were made of only two undersize segments.

"In many regions of New England today, there's not even enough snow on the ground to make snowballs, much less a torso," Centigrade said. "Instead, some snowmen are stuck together with slush and leaves rather than pure, white snow. We must take steps now to end their suffering."

Bearing signs with such slogans as "You Can't Build A Snowman With Rain" and "Winter = Life," the crystalline-ice protestors, many of whom had chartered refrigerated tractor-trailers and ice-cream trucks to travel to the mass protest, complained that popular stereotypes about snowmen obscure and trivialize the crisis.

"Humans sneer at us, 'If you want to stay intact, go to the North Pole and live with Santa,'" said Susie Flakeman, a Thunder Bay, Ontario snowwoman waiting in line with hundreds of others to use a Porta-Freezer. "But less than one-half of 1 percent of us ever receive that honor. Most of us end up victims of the scourge that almost killed Frosty: man-made climate change."

The protest was largely peaceful, disrupted only by a disturbing incident in which one distraught snowman hurled himself into the reflecting pool of the National Mall. He suffered third-degree slush on over 90 percent of his body before rescuers could recover him. He was rushed to a local meat locker where he was pronounced melted on arrival.

Some scientists refuted the snowbeings' claims regarding global warming.

"Throughout history, the earth has endured periods of temperature fluctuation," said Dr. Harley Morrison, a biochemist who has advised President Bush on scientific issues. "Also, there have already been several major blizzards throughout North America this season alone. I made a snowman myself, and he lasted for several weeks."

Late word arrived Tuesday evening that the Moscow protest was violently dispersed by riot police bearing hot-water hoses and snow blowers. Moscow officials said the snowmen were illegally blocking pedestrian traffic near the Kremlin and causing people to slip and fall in their slushy wakes. Snow leaders, including Centigrade, condemned the crackdown.

"Those of us who remember the Icelandic anti-heated-sidewalk riots of the 1980s know that the powers that be despise and fear snowmen who fight for their rights," Centigrade said. "They'd rather kill the messengers than face the fact that our ecosystems are changing irreparably. We're prepared to stay in D.C. as long as it takes until Congress agrees to listen to our demands."

Before he could conclude his remarks, Centigrade's face slid off.

Here are the problems:

#1 - Global Warming is caused by the Greenhouse effect, caused by CO2, CO2 produced by humans.

The Earth has been colder and warmer than today. Water levels in the ocean show that in the last 100,000 years, water levels have been as much as 10 feet higher than now. The latest warm period started somewhere around 1825. This predated the time when humans were putting out significant amount of CO2. The warmed period in the 20th century was not the 1990's, it was the 1930's. If CO2 created by humans were the issue, it wouldn't track this way.

#2- Warming is bad - Warming will have the ocean levels rise, but they have been rising for the past 22,000 years. The 500 feet they've risen = 3 feet per 100 years, just about equal to the amount the models predict. But Humans didn't cause the warming over the past 22,000 years. The times when the planet did have a lot more CO2 and much warmer, it was more like New Orleans, not like the Sahara. The northern plains of Canada and Siberia will defrost and become productive farmland.

#3 - Sunspot activity is showing a slowdown in solar output. This is already being recorded in the temp measurments on earth. I suspect that the warming/cooling trends have more to do with that big ball of fire in the sky, than the CO2 coming out of my exhaust pipe.

For the past 40-50 years, a significant movement of people (and they have remained the same ones!) have tried to get the US to reduce consumption of fuels. Efficiency in use of Energy has doubled in the US in the past 20-30 years. We would be using double the energy, otherwise!

But for all of you greener than greens out there, if you want to maintain your lifestyle with your latte from Starbucks, and you want to reduce CO2 emmsions, we need to go Nuclear, and now.

Obama has stated he is not in favor of Nuclear Power. He thinks we need to get the scientists together to figure out what to do with the nuclear waste. WE ALREADY DID THAT! It was done 30 years ago and the plan that was agreed upon was the Yucca Mountain plan. It is still the best, safest and most workable plan. And it is far far better than what we are doing now.

By eliminating the stupid road blocks to Nuclear, we will be able to have 90+ percent of our power production be without CO2, and possibly generate that hydrogen needed for the cars, that everyone discusses.

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The nuclear power revival has started. What are there - something like 13 license applications in front of the NRC right now? Fortunately that bodes well for my place of employment...

Yucca Mountain is a sound idea, IMHO. The funny thing is that the opponents don't realize that leaving the waste where it is now is orders of magnitude more risky than the Yucca Mountain plan.

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WTF is going on with Caps on this quote? It looks like the BBS software is goofy.

That is strange. Funny, but that is harder to read than Snowman's crap the other day with the mixed up letters.

My assumption was rhetorical. It was used to show that Global Warming/Climate Change/Whatever you want to call it is a specious argument.

Your scientist friend has it right. There isn't a damn thing we could do about it. Two billion+ of the worlds population is just starting to ascend (China & India) and they want a better lifestyle. That's 30% of of the world's population. We can't stop them, and therefore we couldn't stop any man-made climate change.

Lefties have grabbed onto man made climate change not because it can be fixed, but because it's an emotional issue that can be used to beat people over the head while they pursue a social justice agenda.

That's why there was no response to my question. We can't do a damn thing about it, and they can't admit that or they lose their stick.

That not it at all. They fully realize what they are doing. They want to slowly choke nuclear energy to death by ensuring that its waste has no place to go.

It will take a long time for science to regain its reputation after the Dubya "administration." He has placed cronies on all major scientific committees and that crony's job is to write the "conclusion" sections in scientific reports. Oddly enough, all those conclusions seem to reflect the preferences of the oil industry. This, my friends, is what has gotten so many of you guys confused about climate change.

Science may never recover. One of the many massive bits of damage done by the current "administration."

What are you guys going to cry and moan about when Bush finally retires?

Peoples whole interest in politics, views on modern American and the state of the world are so intertwined with hating and loathing this man - when he is back in Texas - it is going to be a huge let down.

Just be ready to be disappointed in Obama. Because 95% of what is going on is going to continue to go on - and 50% of the remaining 5% will be rolled back in the following election.

The damage he left in his wake. I thought that was obvious to all but the 28%ers.

Yup. Massive damage. Hard to imagine how someone could do more damage to America than that guy did.

Dude, you already got my vote. :D

Best,

Count me in among the 28%'s. I'll count some of you'all among the 15 who think that this congress is doing a good job - that's 15 individuauls, not 15%

Some people play the game, others change the way the game is played.

W cut taxes, invaded two countries and got rid of some bad actors, excellent economic growth, low unemployment, no terrorist attacks for 7 years, democracy in two middle eastern backwaters that have known nothing but brutal dictators for decades. two great supreme court justices who's decisions will be manifest now and for generations...

He spent too much and is lousy at public speaking. Other than that, I'm fine with his 8 years.



Your guy left his stain on a fat intern's dress and uhh...

can't think of anything else he did that was significant.

Then you'd be counting incorrectly. Keep trying, we have lots of time for you to get caught up. :)

It's easy. Raise taxes to 70% levels, as proposed by Obama and see wha happens. The Economy will implode.

That isn't right. As much as I don't like Clinton the man, he helped get NAFTA passed, against the left's objections. He helped pass the 1990's Republican reform agenda. OTOH, He was weak on the Foreign Policy front. And he gutted the military.

The problem with both Clinton and the Republican congress, is that once the reform agenda was done, not too much has happened since!

Bush did a lot of very good things, but he also spent money like a drunken sailor (so to the drunken sailors on the board) and created brand new entitlements.

You never get what you want, and NONE of these guys are ever what they sell themselves to be during the election. The only way to truely judge them, is to look at the past record.

Remember how you can tell if a politician is lying? Check to see if his lips are moving.

A little levity before the Holiday weekend.

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