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Shaun @ Tru6 07-08-2008 01:46 PM

Get Out!!!
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,377721,00.html


Iraqi Security Adviser: Iraq Will Insist on U.S. Troop Withdrawal Timetable

Tuesday , July 08, 2008

BAGHDAD —
Iraq's national security adviser said Tuesday his country will not accept any security deal with the United States unless it contains specific dates for the withdrawal of U.S.-led forces.

The comments by Mouwaffak al-Rubaie were the strongest yet by an Iraqi official about the deal now under negotiation with U.S. officials. It came a day after Iraq's prime minister first said publicly that he expects the pending troop deal with the United States to have some type of timetable for withdrawal.

U.S. President George W. Bush has said he opposes a timetable. The White House said Monday it did not believe al-Maliki was proposing a rigid timeline for U.S. troop withdrawals.

U.S. officials had no immediate comment Tuesday on al-Rubaie's words.

Al-Rubaie spoke to reporters after briefing Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani in Najaf on the progress of the government's security efforts, and the talks.

"Our stance in the negotiations underway with the American side will be strong ... We will not accept any memorandum of understanding that doesn't have specific dates to withdraw foreign forces from Iraq," al-Rubaie sid.

Some type of agreement between the United States and Iraq is needed to keep U.S. troops in Iraq after a U.N. mandate expires at year's end.

Iraq's government has felt increasingly confident in recent weeks about its authority and the country's improved stability, and Iraqi officials have sharpened their public stance in the negotiations considerably in just the last few days.

Violence in Iraq has fallen to its lowest level in four years. The change has been driven by the 2007 buildup of American forces, the Sunni tribal revolt against Al Qaeda in Iraq and crackdowns against Shiite militias and Sunni extremists.

Mule 07-08-2008 01:48 PM

You are about the third leftie to post this.

dd74 07-08-2008 01:50 PM

Hmmm...interesting. Didn't Cheney or someone of his ilk say we'll leave when the Iraqis tell us to leave?

Rick Lee 07-08-2008 01:58 PM

Didn't Saddam want us out too? How'd that work for him?

Mule 07-08-2008 02:02 PM

I thought this was going to be about the fires in CA.

dd74 07-08-2008 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick Lee (Post 4048770)
Didn't Saddam want us out too? How'd that work for him?

So you're saying we'll do what we want no matter what the Iraqis want?

Pazuzu 07-08-2008 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dd74 (Post 4048788)
So you're saying we'll do what we want no matter what the Iraqis want?

They don't care what the American citizens want, why would they care about the Iraqi citizens?

dd74 07-08-2008 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pazuzu (Post 4048805)
They don't care what the American citizens want, why would they care about the Iraqi citizens?

"They." Which "they"?

tabs 07-08-2008 02:26 PM

WHY the "THEY" they of course...

Porsche-O-Phile 07-08-2008 03:16 PM

Can't be true. The administration and apologists constantly tell us how we're loved and revered by everyone over there and how our guys have rose petals and teddy bears thrown at their feet whenever they walk down the sidewalks. We all know that's how it really is.

island911 07-08-2008 03:23 PM

But what about the oil Bush was going to steal?

BeyGon 07-08-2008 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by island911 (Post 4048972)
But what about the oil Bush was going to steal?


It's all in trucks in Crawford Texas, waiting for the prices to go up.

Joeaksa 07-08-2008 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mule (Post 4048743)
You are about the third leftie to post this.

They need pictures to understand this...

dd74 07-08-2008 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by island911 (Post 4048972)
But what about the oil Bush was going to steal?

Just as long as we do it quietly...

BeyGon 07-08-2008 03:33 PM

I think the second they ask us to leave we should be shipping out, take everything we brought or burn it. Take every American dollar you can find. Get out and let Iran have it.

Shaun @ Tru6 07-08-2008 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by island911 (Post 4048972)
But what about the oil Bush was going to steal?

Iraq = Arbusto II.

dd74 07-08-2008 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeyGon (Post 4048998)
I think the second they ask us to leave we should be shipping out, take everything we brought or burn it. Take every American dollar you can find. Get out and let Iran have it.

+1. Sure we shouldn't have been there to begin with, but that's in the past. Now, if they don't want us there, screw them. Let's deal with our borders now and protect our soil.

pwd72s 07-08-2008 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dd74 (Post 4049009)
+1. Sure we shouldn't have been there to begin with, but that's in the past. Now, if they don't want us there, screw them. Let's deal with our borders now and protect our soil.


AND...we drill for OUR oil...right?

Shaun @ Tru6 07-08-2008 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pwd72s (Post 4049281)
AND...we drill for OUR oil...right?

:rolleyes: whether it's drilled here, or in Saudi Arabia, it's still subject to world market pricing and speculation. that is unless you are advocating a Fascist/Communist/Socialist agenda where the Government owns the oil wells, much like Chavez.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: if so, carry on.

Mule 07-08-2008 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeyGon (Post 4048998)
I think the second they ask us to leave we should be shipping out, take everything we brought or burn it. Take every American dollar you can find. Get out and let Iran have it.

And when Iran steps out of line, stomp the dog shiit out of em both & make the 58th state, Durkadurkastan!

Team America Fuch Yeah!

dtw 07-08-2008 06:32 PM

Nice way to color this article with your thread title, Shaun.

All you'll hear from returning troops is shock at how different Iraq is from what we're fed here. Apparently the son of one of my dad's friends just got back and was thrilled about the situation he left, and very disappointed at the portrayal/spin going on in MSM.

Nevermind the surge for a minute. When we went in, especially after GHWB/Desert Storm, Iraqis had low expectations - either of being hung out to dry like last time, or us seizing their assets (ie, oil pumps), or both. Instead, we've turned over their oil industry back to them and we've hung with them doggedly, despite the brazen PR campaign against these efforts.

This has really surprised and energized the Iraqi people, government, and military - in a very positive way. Maliki said so, in fact - but you didn't hear anything about that from CNN or NYT. They've built up their confidence and they've started taking control of their country. Naturally, this will involve transfer of control back to Maliki's govt. This isn't bad news or cause for an 'I told you so'. US forces want to make sure Iraqi forces aren't biting off more than they can handle. No problem. They'll work it out.

But ignore the facts and testimonials. Bush lied, people died, we did it for the oil, yada yada. Shrill on.

fintstone 07-08-2008 09:04 PM

This is great news! Obviously the Iraqis feel that the conditions have improved to the point where they do not need our assistance much longer. Looks like President Bush was successful. Mission accomplished!

dd74 07-08-2008 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fintstone (Post 4049620)
This is great news! Obviously the Iraqis feel that the conditions have improved to the point where they do not need our assistance much longer. Looks like President Bush was successful. Mission accomplished!

Fine with me. I don't care how it's spun, as long as we leave...

onewhippedpuppy 07-09-2008 04:59 AM

I'm glad to see them take some responsibility, and not be content letting us police their country. My sincere hope is that they WANT freedom and peace, and will fight to maintain it. Of course, that's a question that will only be answered after we leave.

If Iraq does succeed as a soverign nation, how will the MSM spin it into a disaster? Worse yet, how will they convince everyone that Bush is/was the antichrist if Iraq actually works? History may have a much different view of GWB than many of our current media and related sheep.


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