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rcecale 07-21-2008 01:51 PM

Nahhhhh, There's No Media Bias, Is There...?
 
An editorial written by Republican presidential hopeful McCain has been rejected by the NEW YORK TIMES -- less than a week after the paper published an essay written by Obama, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.


Bunch of hypocritical *******s! :rolleyes:

Randy

cairns 07-21-2008 02:11 PM

It really pisses me off too. I'm canceling the Washington Post when my subscription runs out. They wonder why their circulation is declining; they're consistently told stop the bias but the same people are there spewing the same ***** day after day. They can't write a sports article without getting in a Bush slam. Really disgusting.

OTOH I now get the WSJ- no bias in the news reporting that I can see (they actually lean left according unbiased studies), a conservative editorial page and interesting articles from all walks. Not to mention the best business coverage in the world.

m21sniper 07-21-2008 03:35 PM

I agree about the WSJ, definitely the best newspaper i've ever read.

Shaun @ Tru6 07-21-2008 03:53 PM

is that really the McCain essay? He seems to be a real fan of Obama. Sure writes about him a lot, and it's not even well written.

What is the Right's fascination with electing stupid people for the Presidency?

m21sniper 07-21-2008 03:56 PM

Even our dumbasses are more electable than your geniuses.

Mule 07-21-2008 03:58 PM

I don't know how anybody could get that impression!
http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/gm080717.jpghttp://media.townhall.com/Townhall/C...071808dAPR.jpg

Red Baron 07-21-2008 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa (Post 4074131)
What is the Right's fascination with electing stupid people for the Presidency?

Because sometimes you're forced to fight stupid with stupid.

trap 07-21-2008 04:38 PM

The column contains a significant inaccuracy and repeats information the NYT has already published and attributed to McCain. But you still expect them to run it? They have offered to run a corrected, re-written version of it. In fact, they encouraged it.

andrew15 07-21-2008 04:38 PM

Wasn't it rejected because McCain presented a piece that ripped into Obama's previous editorial without presenting any of McCain's own ideas? Didn't they say - Hey, we'll publish your opinion - please write us one with your ideas instead of just regurgitating sound bites?

Funny stuff really - people get mad at Obama for not offering up solutions, and then are upset with the press when McCain tries the same thing.

The more I look at it, based on previous arguments about substance, you should be voting Obama - he's the one offering ideas now, with McCain only offering sound bites to deflect any debate ;)

Between questionable lobby links, a druggie wife, infidelity, and a wife that helped sell Bud to the Europeans, I'm not sure what you like about him! :)

Shaun @ Tru6 07-21-2008 04:50 PM

As an OpEd piece, it reads more like McCain's opinion of Obama. I'm not sure he understood the assignment. Some things don't change I guess. Man, what a rebel! A real maverick!

Eat it up boys, losing never tasted so great.:D

lendaddy 07-21-2008 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa (Post 4074251)
As an OpEd piece, it reads more like McCain's opinion of Obama.

psssst, the "op" in "op-ed" stands for opinion or opposite the editorial page. Wouldn't want you to look silly:D

BeyGon 07-21-2008 05:00 PM

"Between questionable lobby links, a druggie wife, infidelity, and a wife that helped sell Bud to the Europeans, I'm not sure what you like about him! "

the best reason to vote for McCain is HE ISN'T OBAMA, he isn't married to Michelle, and he has a better class of friends.
Selling Bud to the Europeans is good, they deserve it.

Shaun @ Tru6 07-21-2008 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lendaddy (Post 4074256)
psssst, the "op" in "op-ed" stands for opinion or opposite the editorial page. Wouldn't want you to look silly:D

oh Joel, as the first key is hit, it's generally too late to worry about that.:D

The "assignment" was to write about your opinion on winning in Iraq. Instead, McCain gave his opinion on Obama. Geez, the first 5 minutes of McCain's stump speech has more info than his essay.

You know, I did this in college, freshman writing. The first assignment was so dumb, I doubled the page count and wrote about how dumb the assignment was, using the text, Machiavelli, to back up my assertions. Got a B+ and a stern lecture, which seems to be a lot better than McCain got from his teacher.:D

Tidybuoy 07-21-2008 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa (Post 4074281)
You know, I did this in college, freshman writing. The first assignment was so dumb, I doubled the page count and wrote about how dumb the assignment was

Why is the glass always empty with liberals?

Joeaksa 07-21-2008 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa (Post 4074251)
Eat it up boys, losing never tasted so great.:D

Ahmm, care for another bet my friend?

Shaun @ Tru6 07-21-2008 05:46 PM

Joe, I'm more broke now than I was then. Not a good combo.

but you have to admit, even if McCain wins, you still lose. Either way, there'll be a liberal in the White House next year.:D:D:D

Shaun @ Tru6 07-21-2008 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tidybuoy (Post 4074326)
Why is the glass always empty with liberals?

Who are you calling a liberal, son?

DanielDudley 07-21-2008 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tidybuoy (Post 4074326)
Why is the glass always empty with liberals?

Hey, I thought this was a Republican bellyacking thread.

Rick Lee 07-21-2008 06:56 PM

Oldie but goodie.


The Wall Street Journal is read by the people who run the country.

The Washington Post is read by people who think they run the country.

The New York Times is read by people who think they should run the country.

USA Today is read by people who think they ought to run the country but don't really understand the Washington Post. They do, however, like their statistics shown in pie chart format.

The Los Angeles Times is read by people who wouldn't mind running the country, if they could spare the time, and if they didn't have to leave LA to do it.

The Boston Globe is read by people whose parents used to run the country and they did a far superior job of it, thank you very much.

The New York Daily News is read by people who aren't too sure who's running the country, and don't really care as long as they can get a seat on the train.

The New York Post is read by people who don't care who's running the country, as long as they do something really scandalous, preferably while intoxicated.

The San Francisco Chronicle is read by people who aren't sure there is a country or that anyone is running it; but whoever it is, they oppose all that they stand for. There are occasional exceptions if the leaders are handicapped minority feminist atheist dwarfs, who also happen to be illegal aliens from ANY country or galaxy as long as they are Democrats.

The Miami Herald is read by people who are running another country but need the baseball scores.

The National Enquirer is read by people trapped in line at the grocery store.

Rick Lee 07-21-2008 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cairns (Post 4073965)
It really pisses me off too. I'm canceling the Washington Post when my subscription runs out. They wonder why their circulation is declining; they're consistently told stop the bias but the same people are there spewing the same ***** day after day. They can't write a sports article without getting in a Bush slam. Really disgusting.

OTOH I now get the WSJ- no bias in the news reporting that I can see (they actually lean left according unbiased studies), a conservative editorial page and interesting articles from all walks. Not to mention the best business coverage in the world.

The Wash. Post is getting out of control. The Op-Ed staff was always liberal, but they usually have some excellent investigative reporters. The recent police checkpoints in the Trinidad neighborhood in DC got a lot of coverage, but then the violence seemed to die down. As soon as they had three more shootings last weekend, the Post had to inject a comment about the Heller decision, claiming gun control would keep the city safe. Just unreal. Glad I can read the Post for free online. I'd not pay for it again.

dipso 07-21-2008 07:36 PM

Here is the piece Obama wrote. I am sure with your sides usual diligence, you have already read it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/14/opinion/14obama.html

As you can see it is just Obamas plan to end the Iraq war.
All the times is asking is for McCains plan to end the war.
Simple

Obamas plan hardly mentions grandpa and McCains rebutal is all about Obama.
Obamas name is in almost every paragraph.

It sounds like he wants free press, to respond to something that has nothing to do with him.
It's John McCain, who would be interested anyways?

Stay the course, Victory, Al Queda, 100 years, Terror. Everybody knows his position already, it's the "what would George do?" plan

dipso 07-21-2008 07:48 PM

McCain says a timetable is bad but then says this "I have said that I expect to welcome home most of our troops from Iraq by the end of my first term in office, in 2013."

Jesus, he wants to continue this war until at least 2013? What an idiot.
They are doing him a favor for not running his piece.

9dreizig 07-21-2008 07:50 PM

Obama is an idiot, all he cares about is meeting the 16 weeks that he promised his lefty backers he would do.. Truth be known he'd rather we were losing the war so he could cut the 16 weeks in half..
NYTimes insisted that McCain re-write his plan with a timetable - in other words adapt Obama's turn tale and run pussy attitude.. Obama should be running for president of France, but his wife is too fat and ugly..

Hugh R 07-21-2008 07:54 PM

Uh, 16 months, not weeks.

9dreizig 07-21-2008 07:58 PM

MY bad...... I stand corrected ( something Obama would never say)

dipso 07-21-2008 07:58 PM

Is this what you are talking about? I didn't see anything about a timetable.

'It would be terrific to have an article from Senator McCain that mirrors Senator Obama's piece. To that end, the article would have to articulate, in concrete terms, how Senator McCain defines victory in Iraq.'

McCain has no idea how to respond to that, because he doesn't know. All he knows is that some troops might be home by 2013.

That's great. What a plan.

Mule 07-21-2008 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa (Post 4074390)
Who are you calling a liberal, son?

I agree. Socialist is much more accurate.

K. Roman 07-21-2008 10:20 PM

So 16 months does sound reasonable then, eh?

Quote:

Originally Posted by 9dreizig (Post 4074645)
MY bad...... I stand corrected ( something Obama would never say)


9dreizig 07-21-2008 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by K. Roman (Post 4074871)
So 16 months does sound reasonable then, eh?

No the guy set a schedule to please his left wing supporters with no input from the generals in the field.. That's the point,, now he's over there for a photo shoot and will come back and say nothings changed..
Although he went from the surge isn't working last week to , it is working this week, but he still is against it.. The guy has no clue....

Tidybuoy 07-21-2008 10:40 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong here...but doesn't op-ed mean a newspaper page devoted to signed articles by commentators, etc., of varying viewpoints?

In this case, the NY Times says 'It would be terrific to have an article from Senator McCain that mirrors Senator Obama's piece,' NYT Op-Ed editor David Shipley explained in an email late Friday to McCain's staff. 'I'm not going to be able to accept this piece as currently written.

If they don't like McCain's article - then don't print it. But to dictate how they want it written?? What's up with that.

Why not print it as is it and let the American people decide if McCain is just being negative.

Tidybuoy 07-21-2008 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dipso (Post 4074583)
Obamas plan hardly mentions grandpa

Are you incapable of stating your opinion without derogatory comments? It really is unbecoming and demonstrates your ignorance.

cairns 07-22-2008 08:40 AM

"Correct me if I'm wrong here...but doesn't op-ed mean a newspaper page devoted to signed articles by commentators, etc., of varying viewpoints?

In this case, the NY Times says 'It would be terrific to have an article from Senator McCain that mirrors Senator Obama's piece,' NYT Op-Ed editor David Shipley explained in an email late Friday to McCain's staff. 'I'm not going to be able to accept this piece as currently written.

If they don't like McCain's article - then don't print it. But to dictate how they want it written?? What's up with that.

Why not print it as is it and let the American people decide if McCain is just being negative."

So true. But we forget that liberals aren't happy with just telling people what they should think; they insist on telling them what they can write too. Varying viewpoints are not welcome in the offices of today's mainstream media. This is, after all, the same paper that ran the General Betrayus ad.

dipso 07-22-2008 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tidybuoy (Post 4074899)
Are you incapable of stating your opinion without derogatory comments? It really is unbecoming and demonstrates your ignorance.

He is a grandpa, how is that derogatory?

Senator McCain has seven children and four grandchildren, and currently lives in Phoenix, Arizona with his wife Cindy.

Unsure what marriage they are from. Pretty sure the first, but he likes to keep that family secret.

BeyGon 07-22-2008 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dipso (Post 4076672)
He is a grandpa, how is that derogatory?

Senator McCain has seven children and four grandchildren, and currently lives in Phoenix, Arizona with his wife Cindy.

Unsure what marriage they are from. Pretty sure the first, but he likes to keep that family secret.

I bet your parents are keeping you a secret.


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