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strupgolf 07-21-2008 06:05 PM

Chevy VOLT-am I missing something?
 
With all the push these days to alternative energy sources, I heard a ad today for the new Chevy VOLT, a new electric car GM is bringing out in 2009. It stated that this car can travel 40 miles on one charge. 40 miles. Is this some kind of joke or what? I thought the new VOLT would be a world beater, but how can they sell many if all it does is go 40 miles on ONE charge? For many commuters, this would'nt get them to the office and back, or just to the office. Am I missing something?:confused:

mikester 07-21-2008 06:16 PM

pffft

rouxroux 07-21-2008 06:25 PM

Chevrolet could go that far with an electric car 42 years ago.
http://www.corvaircorsa.com/monzapr7.html

Rondinone 07-21-2008 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by strupgolf (Post 4074528)
With all the push these days to alternative energy sources, I heard a ad today for the new Chevy VOLT, a new electric car GM is bringing out in 2009. It stated that this car can travel 40 miles on one charge. 40 miles. Is this some kind of joke or what? I thought the new VOLT would be a world beater, but how can they sell many if all it does is go 40 miles on ONE charge? For many commuters, this would'nt get them to the office and back, or just to the office. Am I missing something?:confused:

Actually it makes perfect sense. Countrywide most commuters travel less than 40 miles per day. The DOE set that threshold as a target for it's own purposes and GM adopted the standard. It's intended to be the best bang for the buck in order to maximize efficiency and minimize battery costs and weight. For LA, Atlanta, DC and such it may not be enough but for everybody else it will be.

VincentVega 07-21-2008 06:33 PM

There will never be a good electric car if they dont start somewhere. This thing is a joke though. I could get to the airport and back, if I found a spot in the garage right away.

Jims5543 07-21-2008 06:44 PM

The electric truck I am building will have a 120 mile range and it takes a LOT of batteries to do this because the battery technology is stagnant.

Toyota came out with the EV Rav4 it had a 120 mile range (perfect in my book) and Chevron bought the battery technology and shut it down.

We need to stop the big oil companies and big 3 from blocking the new technology and we might just get somewhere....


Has anyone seen my tin foil hat?????????

Super_Dave_D 07-21-2008 06:47 PM

It does/will have a gasoline engine as well. Its supposed to drive a generator which charges the batteries and does not drive the wheels - est. 360 mile range. 50mpg if fully discharged and 150 when charged.

Dantilla 07-21-2008 08:31 PM

There may be a Tesla in my future. If they prove to be reliable, and have the promised 200 mile range, I will probably get one.

RWebb 07-21-2008 09:15 PM

right the 40 mile rane is for pure elec. usage - no gas motor boost & no plugin recharge

meanwhile.... Toyota is said to be working on a Gen II hybrid with Li-ion batteries and some other tricks.

Porsche-O-Phile 07-21-2008 10:14 PM

They'll be just in time to be three generations behind the Japanese and two behind the Europeans.

VW's 1L is due out in late 2009 and will get 200+ MPG. Going to production. Gen-III hybrid/electric vehicles from Toyota are due out soon. Gen-III hybrid/electric vehicles from Honda are due out soon. Fuel-cell prototype vehicles can be bought from Toyota today (probably be in production in about 2-3 years).

While everyone else was planning for the death of big, dumb, stupid SUVs knowing full well that the easy money from them wouldn't last forever, GM was (predictably) lounging around asleep at the switch thinking that they could last forever on 6,000-pound pickup trucks and truck chassis with different sheet metal and cupholders slapped on 'em.

I guess showing up in the 3rd or 4th quarter is better than not showing up at all. I guess. Maybe.

Jim Richards 07-22-2008 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Wayne at Pelican Parts (Post 4074934)
Even if we all had electric cars, the power grid to our homes and offices cannot support the load it would put on the grid. This is the big failing of the electric car. California can barely stand the amount of AC units that are plugged in these days. Try adding some electric cars, and the entire grid will come tumbling down. Building electrical wires and capacity is not an overnight job either.

-Wayne

Neither was a building a nation-wide network of gas stations and highways to support the automobile. Or tracks for a nation-wide rail system. Or the electric power grid we have today. It will take time and money, but it will get done.

jyl 07-22-2008 04:16 AM

Electric cars will typically be plugged in during off-peak hours (e.g. after owner comes home from work) which is when you have less AC load.

And electric car adoption will be gradual, like everything else. I'd be impressed/surprised if 10% of CA's cars were electric (including plug-in hybrid) in 10 years from now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wayne at Pelican Parts (Post 4074934)
Even if we all had electric cars, the power grid to our homes and offices cannot support the load it would put on the grid. This is the big failing of the electric car. California can barely stand the amount of AC units that are plugged in these days. Try adding some electric cars, and the entire grid will come tumbling down. Building electrical wires and capacity is not an overnight job either.

-Wayne


TGTIW 07-22-2008 04:40 AM

But how is the electricity being produced?

kach22i 07-22-2008 04:47 AM

Solar panel roofing is looking good to go with a car like this.

Jim Richards 07-22-2008 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by kach22i (Post 4075075)
Solar panel roofing is looking good to go with a car like this.

You mean like the upcoming version of Prius? :D

Jims5543 07-22-2008 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by TGTIW (Post 4075070)
But how is the electricity being produced?

AS I understand ti they are incinerating dead Hummingbirds and running a steam gererator.

Joeaksa 07-22-2008 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Jims5543 (Post 4075111)
AS I understand ti they are incinerating dead Hummingbirds and running a steam gererator.

Throw in a neighbourhood cat or dog and it may keep up the mix for a while.

gr8fl4porsche 07-22-2008 06:38 AM

"Electric cars will typically be plugged in during off-peak hours (e.g. after owner comes home from work) which is when you have less AC load"


I saw a special about the electric grid in CA called the 'most stressful job in America' and they mentioned that when people get home from work, they all crank up the a/c at about the same time and that is the biggest load of the day. Electric cars plugged in at the same time should make it much worse.

The downside I saw to the Volt was the cost. GM expects pricing to be as high as 40 grand - too much for the average Joe. A cheap electric car will sell well.

vash 07-22-2008 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wayne at Pelican Parts (Post 4074934)
Even if we all had electric cars, the power grid to our homes and offices cannot support the load it would put on the grid. This is the big failing of the electric car. California can barely stand the amount of AC units that are plugged in these days. Try adding some electric cars, and the entire grid will come tumbling down. Building electrical wires and capacity is not an overnight job either.

-Wayne


ok, i listened to NPR. they had some woman involved with the project. they are really diving into this and working with the utilities for a long term solution. apparently it is already happening. they are at 70% capacity, if we should all get a volt. they system is smart. it only charges up late at night when demand is low. it could work, but not for me. for me, i would run out of juice on the bay bridge.

legion 07-22-2008 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by gr8fl4porsche (Post 4075239)
The downside I saw to the Volt was the cost. GM expects pricing to be as high as 40 grand - too much for the average Joe. A cheap electric car will sell well.

But perfect for the self-righteous "smug" crowd.


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