about your neighbor or the dog?

Let's get a couple of things clear here:

1. Domestic cats are the #1 killer of songbirds anywhere near cities. That is a huge toll. There is nothing wild or natural about these cats as predators - a natural predator would not be present in such huge densities. Cats are present in huge numbers because they are fed by humans.

2. Loose cats also spread quite a bit of disease to humans (children) - they do this by crapping in the kids sandboxes.

3. You have absolutely NO right to kill a domestic pet - dog or cat - on your property (unless it is about to kill you or your kid or something). In many states, it is a felony to kill a pet for 'trespass.' You CAN complain to animal control and they will usually set out a trap on your property. If they don't you can certainly set out a live trap. These work well with cats.


Anybody that shoots my dog had better shoot me next. Because I WILL make them wish they were dead.

Randy, if your dog is caught harassing livestock...not even biting, just chasing sheep...the landowner is 100% in the right to shoot him.

You've seen where I live. People here pretty much leave cats alone...rodent control. (edit) The Kestrels here take as many, if not more songbirds from my feeder than the neighborhood cats do.

I did NOT shoot my neighbors dogs...but if I'd had a gun handy I may have. Cindy barely made it to our house in time, and there was no doubt about their intent. They were a pack intent on making a kill. Stupid neighbor would leave for a day, let the dogs run loose. Like I said, no bad dogs...only bad owners.

I've met your dog...he seems like a nice one to me. Probably because he has a good owner...

the livestock law in Oregon is the "or something" in my post
- but the last line I wrote stands - don't care if a farmer was w/in the law or not


a quick shot with the water hose might have been better in your particular situation

dan in pasadena- i know that cats on leashes or otherwise confined will never happen, because of the attitudes of some cat owners, who have no regard or consideration for their neighbors. but is it wrong for me to have this opinion. i also think people should drive better and be more considerate, even tho that will never happen, is my opinion wrong here? probably to you it is:rolleyes: other pet owners(be it dog, reptile or other) cant let their pets roam freely. i feel it should be the same for cats.

Simple answer, kill them all...

Dogs, cats, skunks, possum, raccoon, chickens, moose, deer, ocelots...

They are all dirty disease ridden animals and a danger to the mighty human race.

Death, death, death to them all!:p

SmileWavy

Randy, your posts demonstrate how much you love your dog...so, is it unreasonable to think that just perhaps a cat owner may feel the same love?

Shot of water? Uh, I guess you didn't see this neighbors dogs when you were here...I'd really want something stronger than a garden hose when faced with an angry Doberman...

Can't we all just get along?;)

http://apnews.excite.com/article/20080731/D928G5D80.html

Is Randy responding to my BB comment? 'Cause my bb gun is sort of a joke. It can't even kill one of those domestic songbirds. I have to arc the bb so high, it sort of lobs on over and bounces off the bird. It taught me to be a really good shot. I can land a bb in a mayonaisse jar, or at least I could when I was a kid. I got shot by my cousin with my own bb gun and it sort of stung, but didn't break the skin.

Well, yes, I guess. I would be interested in any thoughts you might have about this incident....comments on my dog, the "visiting" dog, my neighbor, etc... I felt a lot of resentment toward him after this event, but I wasn't sure if I was just seeing my side of the story.

JA

rusnak - general response


Not unreasonable at all. I met your wonderful wife, remember. And even a crusty od male can love an animal (am I talking about you -- or me???)

Actually, you'd be surprised at what a shot of water will do. My friends have used it to control some pretty nasty predators, also elk, moose, and other large animals. At a guess, it is the surprise factor.

And it's right there, not something you'd have to run in the house for.

I don't know what took me so long to remember this story:

About 10 or 12 years ago I was visiting my parents, and I let one of their little toy poodles out to take a dump on the front lawn. My parents yard might be about 300' x 200' so it's large. The dogs feel safe in that yard, as they should. One of the neighbors dogs comes running in from out of nowhere. It's a HUGE FRIKKEN MALAMUTE LOOKING CROSSBREED HORSE DOG. It picks up my mom's poodle with it's mouth, and it's jaws completely encircle the poodle's ribcage. Horse dog starts shaking the poodle violently. No time to do anything but grab one of my mom's Japanese sushi knives. I'm intent on killing this dog and then cutting it's head clean off, and maybe more right? I mean I don't care about gore, I'm Japanese. I like blood, I enjoy blood.

So anyway I start running after Horse dog with my knife with the switch in my brain flipped all the way on. Drops the poodle, hightails it out of there. I pick up my slobber and blood covered poodle friend, and stop the bleeding. Poodle makes a complete recovery after a few weeks of bandages, shots, and I don't know how many sutures.

The moral of the story? I don't know, don't let your horsey dog run around in a Asian family's yard or it might end up dinner.

Sorry dog lovers, but if your large dog comes after a member of my family with intent to do harm, the last thing I'm going for is a hose.

My Mom's approach to "fixing" the roaming, loose neighborhood dog issues was going up to the offenders house with her dog on lead.

She'd ring the bell and when the person answered she'd very politely, pleasantly but firmly matter of factly tell them, "I walk my dog several times a day, he is always on a leash. Your dog runs around uncontrolled. If your dog comes near mine I will drop the lead so that he can defend himself if necessary."

They'd take one look at Moms 225 lb English Mastiff, who usually had foot long spooge hangers coming out of both sides of his face, and that would be the end of it.

Here's a funny one, Englsih Mastiffs are kinda low at the shoulder and have long torsos. They also have a gait more like a cat than a dog, their abdomens tend to sway in the opposite direction of their fore and hind quarters when they walk.

So I'm walking him one day and this woman comes running out of her house, asks me to wait while she goes in and gets her mom who is in town for a visit.

Apparently the mom saw me going around the corner the day before, dog was on the far side of me so she really only saw him from the neck back. She ran back into the house terrified because someone was walking a mountain lion in the neighborhood.

you gotta post a pic of that dogger...

So I guess this makes it ok when my a-hole neighbors cat keeps killing the fish in my pond constantly?? I've had many words with him over it and he pretty much has the same oulook you do. Nothing he can do about it. How about keeping your damn cat in the house! Ive gotten to the point where I threatened to call animal control.

Would it kill the fish if you put anti-freeze in that pond? Just curious.

Probably. Alot of expensive fish in there.

The cat has been the recipient of numerous airsoft rifle shots to the butt. Unfortunately that only scares him away for a little while. The next step is a electric fence around the pond. Maybe then will it get the hint.

dont take your pets to Riyadh
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080731/ap_on_re_mi_ea/saudi_dog_and_cat_ban

next step electric fence??

wouldn't a dog be more practical and effective?