Originally Posted by srandallf (Post 4102582)

whether or not any safety course mentions loud pipes as a safety feature or not is irrelevant.

if you have the balls to get on a motorcycle, and I assume many of the cry babies on this thread do not, ill give you two bikes.

go out on the highway with a quiet bike and then go out on a loud one. ill bet you youll choose the loud one, whether you like the sound or not

being next to teenage girls who are driving their cars with their blackberries in there hands, 90 year old geezers who cant turn their necks to check over their shoulder, while your bike is running practically silent is terrifying. go ahead and try it. youll crap your pants.

those that do ride bikes and prefer a quiet exhaust system...thats your right. you have bigger balls than i do. i wear my full face helmet and gloves and boots. i still want to be heard. trust me, if i am stuck in your blind spot, you will hear me. my exhaust is much louder than my little pipsqueak of a horn.. tweet tweet.

i would prefer to live another day, than worry about upsetting somebody because i am loud

now, while i favor louder pipes just because i do like the sound of an air cooled V twin harley or DUCATI or my own in-line 4 with ram air and carbs... i will admit that i have heard the occasional bike that is so goddamn loud that i wonder how the hell anyone could stand to ride it. you can blame the Discovery channel for that trend.

its not usually harleys that are absolutely ridiculously loud..its these custom ugly chopper builders that have sprung up out of nowhere since Jesse and the talentless idiot Orange County guys came into the main stream on cable tv

Ill agree with the ninnies on this thread that this minority of bikers have taken it too far

what i dont understand is this general stereotyping of people with loud motorcycles. Since i was a little kid, ive been exciting by loud engines. cars, bikes, boats, airplanes, snowmobiles. Im one of those types that walks towards the sound with a beer in my hand. im not a lowlife or a poser or a dirtbag. some of us try hard to avoid disturbing people. i dont sit in my garage and rev my ninja all night. thats just stupid. i wait till im out of the neighborhood to rev it. do i still set off car alarms and piss people off? yup. i can think of a ton of things my neighbors do that piss me off, like running their central air conditioning 24 hours a day for a week when they go out of town and its 60 degrees out. do i get crazy about it? no.

Originally Posted by stuartj (Post 4102401)

Well Jeff, seems its not just me who thinks HD are fashion statements for tools, as you pointed out a little while back.

Originally Posted by stuartj (Post 4102401)

Aside from being obsolete, bloated, charmless, evil handling wheel barrows that make chaff cutters sound like Ferraris, any company that is content to produce a 1300cc engine making 50hp ought be closed down, if not on environmental grounds then on the basis of sheer engineering incompetence.

Originally Posted by stuartj (Post 4102401)

Im sure many of us didnt find your post above very positive or uplifing either. Why cant you post something edifing, like that nice boy mule?

Originally Posted by RPKESQ (Post 4102658)

I have been riding since I was 10 years old. I have ridden the Iron Butt, WERRA road racing, trials and commuted, travelled and for pleasure for over 4 decades. I ride proactively, which takes a little more brain power than blasting a noise (mostly behind) yourself to try to alert people you are approaching.

Balls are a poor choice to use to judge intelligence. Try brains instead. Although most Harley riders seem to lack both balls for performance (thats why they ride such slow outdated bikes) and brains (thats why they dress and act the way they do).

Loud noises are fine for the race track, but a very poor choice for public roads. Your right to be a idiot stops at the point when it affects my immediate enviroment, just like smoking, urinating on the street, a cranked up car stereo and car alarms, loud pipes on any street machine show a striking lack of concern for other people.

May all the drivers around you have the same care about you that you have demostrated for them.

Originally Posted by RPKESQ (Post 4102658)

Balls are a poor choice to use to judge intelligence. Try brains instead. Although most Harley riders seem to lack both balls for performance (thats why they ride such slow outdated bikes) and brains (thats why they dress and act the way they do).

Originally Posted by srandallf (Post 4102770)

Have you ridden your bike in the same areas that I have? I doubt it. Have you ever even ridden in the USA? do you know what the streets and drivers are like around here?

I learned to ride street motorcycles on the streets of manhattan. God bless you for surviving on a quiet bike. good luck to you sir. i do think it takes more balls than i have to ride a quiet bike, i also think its ignorant and stupid unless you are riding out in a corn field or across the desert

I ride with extreme intelligence and skill and the loud sound of my bike its just one added bit of safety. You dont believe it? then we disagree

I also drive my truck with care and skill and caution. Yet, ive nearly run over a few motorcyclist that i did not hear because their bikes were quiet.

my bike being loud is hardly showing a striking lack of concern for other people and your insinuation that i do not demonstrate care towards my fellow drivers when you have never met me or experienced my driving shows what an arrogant ass you are. safe travels to you

Originally Posted by srandallf (Post 4102788)

and your insinuation about Harley riders is not only insulting to motorcyclist in general but is very effective in demonstrating what a foolish ignorant idiot you are. some people like to ride slow....you apparently think such people are lacking in brains? not everybody needs to have a bike that excellerates to 190mph. i used to have a Harley. yes it wasnt that fast, but i very much enjoyed putting around the country side, touring and taking in the scenery. I guess i have no brains because it wasnt a high preformance bike?

I guess everyone that owns a car that isnt a porsche, ferrari or other high performance car is without brains?

You are the type of immature biker that makes us all look like fools.

Originally Posted by Jims5543 (Post 4102009)

I totally forgot, I gave you guys a dose of WOT leaving Pats, did it sound good?

Originally Posted by RPKESQ (Post 4102840)

"Iron Butt, WERRA road racing" both of which only exist in the States.

Originally Posted by BSiple (Post 4102860)

If I lived in CA, or rode where you did, I think I'd have one of the KTM Duke's, or a super motard bike of some sort. Something small, light and quick.

Bill

Originally Posted by RPKESQ (Post 4102853)

I was only using your yardstick to measure how much balls obnoxiously loud bikers have. I ride both slow and fast as conditions and my desire dictate. But apart from a couple of antique motorcycles, I don't need loud pipes to compensate for the lack of handling, acceleration and braking that Harleys have.:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by srandallf (Post 4102889)

i made no presumptions in my reply. i asked you a question. i dont give a damn about competitions and dont care to know anything about what they are or where they are held. so, despite what you think because of my lack of knowledge of all the amazing competitions youve been in, i still know alot about motorcycles and riding them

i wasnt using "balls" as a yardstick for anything. I said it takes balls to ride a bike on the street, period. which it does. and i think it takes balls to ride a quiet bike, though I believe its a dumb thing to do because its difficult if not impossible to hear them.

i never said balls = intelligence.

there is nothing intelligent about riding a motorcycle whatsoever. i love it. but its a deadly activity. Surfing in waters inhabited by great white sharks also takes balls, but doesnt seem too intelligent. Despite that, surfers and bikers of all kinds get my deep respect because they presumably are pursuing their passion, despite the inherent risks. sure there are a few bikers that hop on a bike because they want to "show off" or "live the biker life" because they have money to blow on a new toy

so what?

Ultimately, if they end up loving riding bikes, who gives a damn what they ride or what kind of clothes they like to wear or what the reason is that they got into it?

Do I care if somebody wants to put long leather stringy things on their handle bars? no. i wouldnt do it, but that doesnt mean that the person doing it is an idiot or is lacking in brains any more than the person who thinks its cool to put white gauges on their 911. its a subjective matter of taste and your post was obviously insulting and lacking civility so why dont you take a look in the mirror

you stick to your quiet bike and ill stick to my loud bike, ok mr worldy traveller? and regardless of what kind of crap bike you are on or ridiculous outfit you are wearing, ill give you a wave and thumbs up anyway SmileWavy

Originally Posted by BSiple (Post 4102891)

Todd, that is pretty damn cool. I agree about the lightness as well 9one of the main things I didn't like about the BMW R1200GS, was I felt the wind pushing me all over the place). Are all of the plastic side panles easily replaced, meaning if it tips over, can you just shrug it off? I think if I was riding in a city, or very traffic rich enviroment, that is something I would consider.

Bill

Originally Posted by RPKESQ (Post 4102941)

Apparently logic is not your strong suite. Your statements "i wasnt using "balls" as a yardstick for anything. I said it takes balls to ride a bike on the street, period. which it does. and i think it takes balls to ride a quiet bike" are of course quite contradictory. :rolleyes:

But, your lack of safe riding knowledge or skills set is also quite self evident, from your statement "whether or not any safety course mentions loud pipes as a safety feature or not is irrelevant" , you are dismissing a knowledge base much greater than your own. :eek:

Another wanker who thinks that a lack of knowledge and skill is made up for by being loud and obnoxious. SmileWavy

Originally Posted by srandallf (Post 4102994)

Did I say that the only safety skill I employ is being loud and obnoxious? no, i did not. I have taken everything I have learned from safety courses and added to it over the years from experience...

Somebody above had mentioned that loud pipes dont help to keep you safe, backing that statement up by mentioning that safety courses don't mention it.

Im sure that along with loud pipes, there are many things a safety course doesnt tell you about safe riding and Im pretty sure that safety courses do not want to provide students with a false sense of security. I was arguing that point. My point being that they dont "make you safe" but they may in fact help. Obviously one must never depend on loudness to keep one safe

You obviously wanted to argue that I am wrong, and in the process of doing so, felt it important to make wide sweeping generalities about harley riders who have no brains because they have chosen to ride bikes that are not "high performance" and because they dress funny which even to me who is not a harley rider, is insulting and immature

Fine, you dont buy the loud pipes save lives argument and you dont like loud bikes. In my own personal experience, my loudness has saved me several times and the sound of my bikes gives me a boner and therefore, I will continue to use my race pipe on my bike because I like it. Screw you and whoever else feels the need to cry about it.

You know nothing about my knowledge of safety or riding skills except from what you have poorly interpreted from a few of my posts

Originally Posted by RPKESQ (Post 4103000)

We are all unsurprised that loud pipes give you a boner.:eek:

Now also, we all now the level of thought that you apply to other people.:rolleyes:

Congradulation on being the first self confessed wanker on PPOT! SmileWavy

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins (Post 4103258)

Too bad we can't just gather up all the hand wringing ninnie whiney candy ass pussy spoiled brats who are oh so concerned with every little thing that may possibly annoy them, and put them all in one place.

Originally Posted by johnco (Post 4103108)

2 6ft and 2 4ft savard speakers in my house,. harley with straight pipes, diesel with glasspacks. 37chevy, 60 chevy, 62 olds with dual exhaust glasspacks. weedeater and blower you can hear a block away. that lawnmower of mine. wow!. and sometimes I fart pretty loud. I thought I was shy and all this time I actually only craved attention by making loud noises. feels so good to finally have this explained to me. can't imagine how horrible it is to those having to hear such racket all those seconds it takes me to get out of hearing range. guess it's time to get mufflers, open an beer, pull up my rocking chair with everyone else and yell at the losers with loud pipes. except those plastic clad Transformer motor bikes with Japanese, Italian and German names sounding like enraged killer bees driving down my street at 90 in a 25 mph zone because they handle so great or those with custom exhausts on their Porsche. man those are so cool!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins (Post 4103258)

Too bad we can't just gather up all the hand wringing ninnie whiney candy ass pussy spoiled brats who are oh so concerned with every little thing that may possibly annoy them, and put them all in one place. They would probably wind up killing each other. The whinier of the lot would whimper things like "can't we all just get along?", and preach "tolerance", but only as far as things that don't bother them. The more zealous of the lot would form and join the home owners' associations, and crawl around with flashlights and rulers in the middle of the night measuring each others' lawns. Complaints would be filed on top of complaints, and little poindexter busy bodies would have a field day enforcing their insignificant little rules.

Oh wait - we have. It's called upper middle class suburbia. And it's whiners like the ones chiming in here that have turned many such places in the "Stepford Wives" hell they are today.

My dear departed old man taught me that real men don't whine and complain. Seems to be a shortage of those these days...