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Race and Sex: 2008 Election
1) What would be a more significant "breakthrough", a black man or white woman getting elected as POTUS? I know it's somewhat of an apples to oranges comparison if we speak of Palin in this election, but what of it? Which is a "bigger deal", IYHO?
2) I have also noticed that it appears to be more acceptable to be chauvinistic than to be racist. Folks who may get all bent out of shape if they even imagine that another may have made a potentially obscure, oblique racist comment appear to have no problem with open sexism. Is there a rational explanation? Curiously Yours, |
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09-02-2008, 04:48 PM
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Voting FOR someone based on their race or gender is no different than voting against them for the same reason. I couldn't care less about either. As long as I agree with the candidate's views, I'll be happy to vote for them.
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1st The racist obama isn't black, he is more white & arabic than black, truly a political whore, since he chose to check black, chose a racist church because it would help his rise.
So an actual woman would be much more than the racist POS running.
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09-02-2008, 04:57 PM
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And why are many folks who are anti-racists, obviously the correct position, chauvinistic? Can these positions be logically consistent? Is that clearer? 
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I'm like Rick, as I agree with the candidate's views, I'll be happy to vote for them, just like I choose my friends, if I like them as a person, I don't care what color, gender or who they like to have sex with, as long as they are good people.
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09-02-2008, 05:03 PM
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Well, I will answer the first question and maybe that will help others understand the question.
I think it would be a more significant event if a woman were elected POTUS, even more so if it was a black woman. I would put the election of a black man between a white man and a white woman on the basis of historical significance. Just my opinion and explaining my rational is certainly a tricky proposition. I'm still working on my hypothesis why racism is totally unacceptable but sexism is not so much so . . . |
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09-02-2008, 05:11 PM
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Yeah, bvd may have a point... Obama is maybe Half black, raised with white culture, and searching for his blackness along with Vanilla-Ice.
It seems we would need a transvestite running to make this a close one for Obama.
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That I can't answer, I've known & respected many women & black men in leadership roles, and I honestly never gave it a 2nd thought other than if they knew what they were doing. I'll try and reach one of my Frat brothers (KA), Gentlemen of the South, a black guy who is now a corporate lawyer and see what he thinks. All I know is I always liked having him watch my back during drinking games(he never let me fall, nore did I fail him) at the Purple Purpose after 1/2 time and anytime we where out, we looked out for each other.
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09-02-2008, 05:20 PM
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good question and i'm not sure the answer.
in either case we'll have somebody high up who presumably isn't fully indoctrinated into the old boys network and that can only be a positive.
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09-02-2008, 05:29 PM
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A woman.
ANY woman winning the presidency will be a really big event. No matter who the woman is. I think it would be difficult to do. A black man winning the presidency would not be that big of a deal, depending on who he is. It would be historically significant, because he would be the first, but not a huge surprise (Colin Powell pre-ruining by Bush, for example). |
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09-02-2008, 05:37 PM
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And why are many folks who are anti-racists, obviously the correct position, chauvinistic? Can these positions be logically consistent?
Is that clearer? __________________ Kurt I think you will find that exclusively in Democrat territory. She isn't going to fit into the mold of the NOW group. She isn't Pro Choice and there is no middle ground with the wackos. Leftist womens groups are just wackos |
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09-02-2008, 05:44 PM
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I think the bigger "breakthrough" (or surprise) by far, will be when someone from a minority religion (Mormon, Jew, etc). wins the presidency. It will happen some day, but I don't think for a long time.
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09-02-2008, 05:50 PM
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We did have some great Parties at US and yes, it was a very diverse group of guys in our group, we saw only only shade, Confederate Grey and I'm pretty sure every one of us are "Sons of Confederate Veterans", no matter the shade of our skin!!!
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09-02-2008, 06:55 PM
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What the hell is an anti-racist? Seems to me that you're a racist or you're not a racist. If you're not a racist you most probably are against racism.
"Are you religious" "No." "Are you anti-religious?" "Yes...uh, er, no. Depends." "Are you racist?" "No!" "Are you anti-racist?" "Yes...uh,er, no. Depends." "Like religion?" "Uh, kinda.....what the hell you trying to get at?" "Whether you really are or are not a racist." "You calling me a racist?" "No." "Well, I think you are...Hell yes you are!" "Whoa!" "Yeah! YOU'RE a racist for calling ME a racist! You anti-racists are all alike!" "So you're not an anti-racist?" "NO!" "So you're a racist then?" NO, you son of a bilfitch! YOU'RE the racist!" "So, our country is racist?" "NO! Just people like you who call people like me racists!" "So, if nobody brings up racism, racism will cease to exist?" "Exactly!" "Then it must exist, in order for it to cease to exist, no?" "NO!....YES! You calling me a racist?!!!" "No." "Hell yes you are. Racist!" "I see."
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09-02-2008, 07:12 PM
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How about a person who is not racist, but who is a sexist or chauvinist? Seems to me to be a hypocritical position. 2¢ Best |
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09-02-2008, 07:21 PM
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Because if you are racist, you are a bad person, if you are sexist you may just be confused or old fashioned Logically consistent has nothing to do with it. Yes it is a hypocritical position to take.
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