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kstar 08-12-2008 09:22 PM

Are you radical, irrational? The "Specific" ITAG Poll
 
Choice 3 is for folks who generally believe there is a God, but are not 100% certain.

Choice 4 is for folks who generally believe there is not a God, but are not 100% certain.


Well?

I will argue that folks checking either of the "100% certain" boxes are irrational.

I am 100% certain of that. :)

edit: I'm aware that the last two statements are logically identical, but choosing one over the other does show bias, IMO.

Best,

the 08-12-2008 09:31 PM

can't figure out the difference between choices 3 and 4.

kstar 08-12-2008 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the (Post 4117125)
can't figure out the difference between choices 3 and 4.

See my edit, Logic Man. :)

Seriously, you don't see the bias of one choice over the other?

stuartj 08-12-2008 09:54 PM

Would it be better to ask in the positive?

it is (highly) probable
it is (highly) improbable

kstar 08-12-2008 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stuartj (Post 4117154)
Would it be better to ask in the positive?

it is (highly) probable
it is (highly) improbable

In hindsight, perhaps!

I guess I didn't expect this much confusion. :confused:

This thread is much too young to die. :)

trekkor 08-12-2008 10:12 PM

Those who are not 100% certain there is a God, will be soon...


KT

kstar 08-12-2008 10:21 PM

Stuart, the: you guys don't like the choice wording?

Choice 3 is for folks who generally believe there is a God, but are not 100% certain.

Choice 4 is for folks who generally believe there is not a God, but are not 100% certain.

the 08-12-2008 10:43 PM

Hmm, I may be 50/50 on the god issue, so both choices still look equally attractive to me.

svandamme 08-12-2008 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the (Post 4117185)
Hmm, I may be 50/50 on the god issue, so both choices still look equally attractive to me.

guess your a radical flipflopper then :D

kstar 08-13-2008 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the (Post 4117185)
Hmm, I may be 50/50 on the god issue, so both choices still look equally attractive to me.

Well, the more difficult the choice, the greater the odds that your choice will be satisfactory.

You're radically moderate on this subject, it appears.

In the middle of the fence you straddle.

Jim Richards 08-13-2008 02:33 AM

The likelihood of an invisible friend is infinitesimally small.

IROC 08-13-2008 04:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trekkor (Post 4117169)
Those who are not 100% certain there is a God, will be soon...


KT

Define "soon" or give it a rest... :rolleyes:

Jim Richards 08-13-2008 04:20 AM

I've been overrun by free radicals. :eek:

kstar 08-13-2008 06:40 AM

Poll results, so far, as I suspected. :)

Best,

NICKG 08-13-2008 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trekkor (Post 4117169)
Those who are not 100% certain there is a God, will be soon...


KT

is judgement day comin? if so, according to the mormons, there is only room in heaven for 100,000 people...JUST the AMISH have that covered..no way anyone else is more pius than themSmileWavy.

JavaBrewer 08-13-2008 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trekkor (Post 4117169)
Those who are not 100% certain there is a God, will be soon...
KT

You hope...

nostatic 08-13-2008 08:09 AM

what's your definition of "God"?

HardDrive 08-13-2008 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nostatic (Post 4117664)
what's your definition of "God"?

+1

I don't believe in a judeo Christian god, but I also think we humans are pretty primitive creatures. There is plenty left to discover in this universe of ours. I am sure that with time we will come to discover and understand forces that are beyond our comprehension today.

PorschePilot 08-13-2008 09:38 AM

Is there a God?

If the answer is no, the question is of little consequences

If the answerr is yes, the question is of infinite consequences

kstar 08-13-2008 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nostatic (Post 4117664)
what's your definition of "God"?

Generic "god" entity, not any specific religion's deity.

kstar 08-13-2008 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HardDrive (Post 4117739)
+1

I don't believe in a judeo Christian god, but I also think we humans are pretty primitive creatures. There is plenty left to discover in this universe of ours. I am sure that with time we will come to discover and understand forces that are beyond our comprehension today.

I agree. There's nothing that we know now that excludes a creator or creation committee that created the known universe and then stepped aside.

The poll provides an option for such folks who believe this.

nostatic 08-13-2008 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kstarnes (Post 4117844)
I agree. There's nothing that we know now that excludes a creator or creation committee that created the known universe and then stepped aside.

The poll provides an option for such folks who believe this.

Is there anything we now know that excludes a creator or creation committee that continues to act in the universe?

kstar 08-13-2008 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nostatic (Post 4117854)
Is there anything we now know that excludes a creator or creation committee that continues to act in the universe?

Lack of evidence that rises up above the noise of simple chance or coincidence?

That's my opinion.

nostatic 08-13-2008 10:04 AM

so low signal/noise is the answer?

I'm not sure that I'd hang my hat on that one, but everyone is free to their interpretation of the data or lack thereof. In the science world one can point to many low signals later being able to be pulled out of the noise.

Jim Richards 08-13-2008 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nostatic (Post 4117854)
Is there anything we now know that excludes a creator or creation committee that continues to act in the universe?

Groups of men that squabble over religion. That's either a huge blunder (fire the god(s)) or there really is/are no god(s).

kstar 08-13-2008 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nostatic (Post 4117870)
so low signal/noise is the answer?

I'm not sure that I'd hang my hat on that one, but everyone is free to their interpretation of the data or lack thereof. In the science world one can point to many low signals later being able to be pulled out of the noise.

I'm careful what I hang my hat on. :)

Chaos theory comes to mind re low signal/noise, IMO, so I agree with your statement.

I think you might agree that humans also tend to create causal relationships for non-causal events, i.e. seeing "god" in good things and dismissing "it" when bad things occur. edit: This human trait creates the illusion of a "signal".



Best,

nostatic 08-13-2008 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kstarnes (Post 4117881)
I'm careful what I hang my hat on. :)

Chaos theory comes to mind re low signal/noise, IMO, so I agree with your statement.

I think you might agree that humans also tend to create causal relationships for non-causal events, i.e. seeing "god" in good things and dismissing "it" when bad things occur. edit: This human trait creates the illusion of a "signal".



Best,

Totally concur. Just want to sort out the parameters.

JavaBrewer 08-13-2008 10:39 AM

I was gonna score a touchdown until Jesus made me fumble...

IROC 08-13-2008 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PorschePilot (Post 4117821)
Is there a God?

If the answer is no, the question is of little consequences

If the answerr is yes, the question is of infinite consequences

Which god are you talking about? Are you sure you've picked the right one and that you understand his requirements?


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