visiting my brother makes me want to spend money. firearms wish list

[vash]

damn. he is a SWAT supervisor. he absolutely has the best toys ever. all of his buddies are firearm freaks also. i get to fire the fun stuff. here is what i now NEED in my personal arsenal.

a SOCOM 16

ruger 10/22 with a Gemtech intergrated silenced barrel. i am going to fire this later today. apparently, the bullet hitting the target is louder. here in texas, all you need is a $200 document from the feds. my home in cali may be a different story. sadly this is a $1300 .22 but my skunk problem would be alot more fun.

i also want that benelli M4. you know for "close encounters".

both of the rifles listed had this cool aimpoint scope on them. you can turn a dial to increase the intensity of a red dot in a mildly magnifiied scope. point and shoot. with the tiny recoil, i bet you see the impact.

[onlycafe]

ruger 10-22 has always been a great little rifle, i think that there is almost as much optional equipment for them as there is for vw bugs.

[charleskieffner]

funny i own all three minus the suppressor.

the SHIZZZZ-NINNIEE red dot scope to look at is the zeiss(yep $$$$$) reflex red dot. SOLAR POWERED! 463-499$. wayyy coool lite weight german tech. this will go on my socom,

[legion]

My "wanted" list has come down to a Barrett 95. I've bought everything else I've wanted in the past two years...

[Danny_Ocean]

Originally Posted by vash

My home in cali may be a different story.

I also want that benelli M4. you know for "close encounters".

Your home in Cali WILL be a different story.

As to the M4, you can own it in Cali, but it can't have the collapsible stock option (or a model converted from collapsible). Must have a fixed stock and not be "convertible". Other catch is, if you can find one in Cali, will be $$$. Buying one mail-order (www.gunbroker.com) is cheaper, BUT...most FFL's won't ship to Cali...

[Rick Lee]

10/22 are like Porsches in that you can spend several times the acquisition cost on mods. There is just no end to what you can do to them.

I thught class III stuff was between the BATF and your local sheriff, not state laws.

[elwood-914]

California is one of the few states that won't allow silencers....... and everything else it seems

[Danny_Ocean]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

I thught class III stuff was between the BATF and your local sheriff, not state laws.

It is, but do you think any Sheriff in CA is going to sign-off on one? The only people I knew who owned Class III stuff in Calif. were dealers. Never met an individual with one.

From the web:

June 10, 2008
California (CA) What NFA Firearms can I own? Updated

There are several type of Class 3 items that are restricted by the National Firearms Act.

Each state can impose additional restrictions on the sale, purchase, and transfer of class 3 firearms in addition to the compliance that is required with the national Firearms Act.

In California you can own the following items that are regulated the the National Firearms Act

Machine Guns
Any Other Weapon (AOW) (except Pen Guns) *1
Destructive Devices (DD)
Short Barreled Shotguns (SBS)
Short Barreled Rifles (SBR)

In California you cannot own the following NFA restricted items.
Silencers
Pen Guns

*1 AOW's other than Pen Guns are ok as long as they are not an assault weapon. With the exception of AOW assault weapons that were owned prior to the registrations period are ok. AOW's are not required to receive a Curio or Relic classification.

Note In California most Class 3 items other than AOW's must be classified as a Curio or Relic (C&R).

SBS and SBR, that are C&W as well has AOW's as described above do not require any special state permits.

Permits for Machine guns and DD's are controlled and at the sole discretion of the DOJ and are rarely issued to civilians or anyone who is not involved in the movie industry.

CA's Assault weapons laws apply to assault weapons whether they are C&R or not. An assault weapon in Ca if meets certain requirements found in the statutes. One of these is semi automatic center-fire rifle with the capacity to accept a detachable magazine that has an overall length of less than 30 inches is an AW. This would mean if you made (through a form 1) a SBR out of an M1 Carbine, it would likely be considered an AW under California law.

[Rick Lee]

Hey, some sheriffs' politics are way different from the state's general attitude. I know NoVA was a pretty anti-gun place, but the local Sheriff was excellent abotu class III sign-offs. Also, I believe you are exempt from local approval if you form an LLC or living trust for the transaction.

You should see the Scottsdale Gun Club. They have a few display cases of just suppressors.

[id10t]

You can bypass the sherrif sign-off by forming a LLC or a trust to own the c3 goodies.

Being in Cali really limits your options on your wish list though...

[Danny_Ocean]

Originally Posted by id10t

You can bypass the sherrif sign-off by forming a LLC or a trust to own the c3 goodies.

Being in Cali really limits your options on your wish list though...

Still must be legal to possess in that state:

It is illegal for anyone to have possession of an NFA weapon that
is not registered to them in the NFA Registry. It is also not
possible for anyone, except government entities, to register an
existing NFA weapon that is not registered, except within 24 hours
after one is made by a class 2 NFA manufacturer. An individual
otherwise able to own any gun under federal law can receive and own
any NFA weapon (local law permitting, ATF cannot approve a transfer
where federal, state or local law would be violated by the
transferee possessing the weapon in question, see 26 U.S.C. sec.
5812(a)(6)) on a Form 4, "Application for Tax Paid Transfer and
Registration of Firearm". Non-FFL holders may only purchase an NFA
weapon from a dealer or individual within their own state. If the
weapon is located out of state it must be transferred to a class 3
dealer within the state, before transfer to the non FFL purchaser.
C&R FFL holders (type 03) may purchase C&R NFA guns from out of
state dealers and individuals. Type 01 FFL holders, who are not
qualified to deal in nFA weapons, that is are not SOT taxpayers
(see below) may purchase any fully transferrable (no dealer
samples, see below) NFA weapon, from an out of state source. If the
FFL holder is an individual he must submit fingerprints,
photograph, and the law enforcement certification.

And there is a down-side from going the LLC/Inc. route:

There are solutions to the law enforcement certification problem.
They all require persistence, but less work than being a legitimate
NFA dealer, in my opinion. Becoming a licensed dealer is one
solution though. Another solution is to be incorporated. If you
are already the owner of a corporation, as part of your business
(doctor, lawyer or architect for example) your corporation can buy
NFA weapons, and the photo, police signoff and fingerprints are not
needed. Just a Form 4. The corporation might be buying weapons
for an investment, or for security, or for another good reason.
You could incorporate yourself just to get NFA weapons also,
although you should talk to a lawyer or another knowledgeable
person about the downsides of being incorporated before just doing
it, as well as any income or other tax consequences in your
location. As the weapons are registered to the company, and not
the owner of the company, they will have to be transferred out, tax
paid (unless the transfer is otherwise exempt from the tax, ie from
a government entity, or for an unservicable weapon), if the
corporation is ever dissolved. As corporate assets, creditors
might get them in the event of bankruptcy of the corporation, or a
judgment against the corporation. In my opinion the best thing is
to have the weapons owned and registered to the person who actually
owns them, and not an intermediary. I also am aware that in some
areas of the country the incorporation route may be the only way to
own NFA weapons, as a practical matter. Also be aware that
corporations have no 4th amendment right against self-
incrimination, and the restrictions the NFA law places on the use
of information provided to ATF under the Act (26 U.S.C. sec. 5844)
only apply to information provided by natural persons, not
corporations. You are giving up some of the privacy provided by
law to flesh and blood people when you acquire your guns through a
corporation.

[Rick Lee]

Amazing how BATF defers so often to the states when it suits them, while the rest of the fed. gov't. completely ignores the 10th Amendment.