Hell (to the oblivious)
 

Obama/Biden - good.

From across the river Styx will arise great moaning and wailing of lost souls, oblivious to the winds of change ruffling complacent feathers grown dry and brittle, crumbling into dust falling unheard upon their own ears while the world resonates with newfound hope.

how did i know, even before clicking on this, that it would be obama related?

He said "Hope".

What is a world without hope?

I asked the same thing after Bing Crosby died.

Hope is great, but without a plan to get somewhere it's sort of like the difference between "luck" and "control" You understand the difference, right?

Given the combined experience and intelligence of these two nominees, I have hope that they will be effective.

And, given McCain's, et al, plan, (which is?), I have no expectations whatsoever but for a continuation of the status quo, which I cannot, with clear conscience, abide.

There's that word again. :rolleyes:

Obama is a tug boat: he toes the political line. He has spent his entire career voting how the party bosses have told him. He has not shown an smidgen of independence or leadership...ever. Past experience shows he will be completely lost with any sort of executive authority. (For example, he used his time as president of the Harvard Law Review to publish exactly zero law studies.)

Yet you hope this time will be different. What is it called when the same thing is repeatedly tried and different results are expected?

[QUOTE=legion;4137029]There's that word again. :rolleyes:

Obama is a tug boat:QUOTE]

HOPEFULLY pulling to the oposite shoreline from where you apparently stand quagmired.

You who want another 4+ yrs of the world according to Bush perplex me.

So socialism is the answer? (I guess it will work right since "we've" never tried it, huh)?

social security, welfare, medicare, medicade...yeah...they're all great IDEAS....

change...hope...change...

I feel pity for those who view their workd in black and white.

I feel shame for those who use the "for the least of us" line and won't even throw their own half-brother a bone, yet want to "redistribute MY wealth". Sorry, does not fly....

change...hope...change: with the rest of the sheeple.

removed -cool the name calling - ns

Yes, I think of him in a term somewhat similar to that. You defend your argument so wisely. Carry on.

Facts? Simple facts. or as B-HO says :"Words, just words".

Snappiest. Comeback. Ever. :rolleyes:

I will simply argue that BO will raise taxes and redistribute wealth - he has stated so very clearly.

It's not an issue of black and white, it's just Obama's plan - call it what you want.

In principal, I am against this policy.

If he was planning on raising taxes to pay down the debt, I would applaud such a plan although my opinion is that such a plan would fail. But, he will try to raise taxes to spend more money. His opinion is that certain companies make "too much" money - this opinion will "poison the water" and damage the USA.

America needs a dynamic economy with low taxes, new business formation, risk taking and the motivation of profit. "We" also need a simpler tax code and the elimination of tax policy as a means of control and power. Obama is much further away from these principles than McCain.

So, Darisc, tell us the specific things you think Obama will do that will help America.

Best to you,

+1 Kurt, but America also needs to ask China to pretty-please forgive our trade deficit.
What is "hope" when interest on a loan consumes a large percentage of of effort?

Good point, IMO. The US and China need to have a "come to Jesus" meeting and understand that both parties need to be good partners. Maybe I am naive, but I think they need us as much as we need them.

I don't think we need the trade deficit forgiven, China should just open the valve and let us compete in their country as they do in ours. The US remains the world's powerhouse economy in absolute terms even though China sits with a huge trade surplus and a huge national surplus.

I think China just wants to be recognized as a world "player" and the Olympics are an excellent example of their desire to be accepted. I honestly think they are more insecure about their position in the world than many may think. Let's help them succeed and in the process "we" can grow America too. China represents a great opportunity for America.

Sorry if I sound too optimistic and/or idealistic, or even like Obama, but I do believe we need to help China and prop up the US in the process. I also have a simplistic view that the more capitalism pervades China, the better the odds that China eventually has a more free, democratic system than it does now.

Best,

If the ticket was Obama / Osama, these same left wing zombies would be telling you the same, lame stuff.

Change-Hype-Change-Hype-Change-Hype, Obama has it all.

Obama has brought hope to the republicans also.
We HOPE there aren't enough fools to elect him. We HOPE he doesn't get elected and screw this country up beyond repair.

We HOPE that mankind can survive with so many people who can be fooled with a simple smile and catch phrase polluting the gene pool.

There was a time when we didn't have to worry about this, People who didn't have a clue were usually too lazy to vote so they were a non-factor. But Obama has drawn them out of the closet with promises of free stuff they didn't earn or deserve. He has rallied the clueless and got them involved. they still don't have a clue but are now a factor.
Democrats, the party of the clueless. That would have a nice ring if it wasn't so dangerous.

I have talked to some Jews at work that are strangley enough, Democrats. They were going to vote for Hillary, didn't really know why but she is a Democrat. Now they will vote for Obama, he is a Democrat. I asked them what Hillary or Obama, Democrats, Blacks, have ever done for Jews, it doesn't matter.

The push to oppose Gore in the Nobel Peace prize using a WW2 partisan was a pretty good tactic: Use emotional Jewish religeous sentiments to isolate the American-Zionist money from the "Democratic/Environmentalist"(Gore) party.

Unfortunately for the neo-cons, not all American "Jews" and "Democrats" fall into a lump-sum demographic.
The US is all about a diversified balance:cool: (areas of LA and Detroit excepted of course)

there is a lot of obama bashing on this forum. there are also a lot of things i don't like about his stated policies. however, i haven't heard anything from mccain that i like. so, i am not sure where that leaves me. i'll vote for the anarchy party.

It is simple, they have more tools.

huh?

It's nuance, seeing seams, the color between black and white, the anti-simple...they vote democrat because they have more tools to be more informed.

It is that easy...get on board my friend or you're simple, a dolt.

Why do the Republicans, who believe in faith, not believe in hope.

Why do the Democrats, who believe in hope, not believe in faith.

The only difference I can see is that one is real, right now, right in front of you.
The other is imaginary, out of reach, and most likely never attainable.

I am sure that if "the idol" ever returned, the people with faith would not support him. That would mean they would have to end their faith, and start to hope he is the real thing. Hope is not a Republican based way of thinking, Faith is.

They would probably put him in Guantanamo and return their faith based way of thinking.
Faith is easier, it requires nothing but wishing. Hope is a little bit more realistic.

Faith is wishing for a train, hope is knowing a train is there and hoping it is on time.

o.k, i am a dolt. get on board what? follow for the simple reason that you say they have more 'tools'? i'd rather be a dolt than a tool....

I'll use green ink the next time. I am both a dolt and a tool...a dtoolt as it were.

All you need to know: http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?t=426357

:cool:

btw, I just finished with 10 acres of hay...it ain't easy being green.

Seahawk, better manually check the prop pitch linkage. Exhaust may be recirculating throught the cabin;). (Just kidding of course.)

You're right, a ten year plan can be considered unreachable if a one year plan begins of compile complications. It's all in the details.

You are so wrong, again, FAITH is knowing the train is on the tracks, HOPE is wanting it to be on time. HYPE is Obama

Have another coctail.

A wise smart a$$...perfect;)

Only wise. Not so smart.

i think i am going to just pack it up. there is something about this conversation that escapes me completely.

also, i have seen a few references lately to green ink. WTH does that mean? i am usually fairly internet savvy, but that one has me stumped.

There are participants here that some feel are not intelligent enough to recognize sarcasm, jest, devil's advocacy, etc. Green is used to help the unintelligent comprehend what they are reading.

Brilliant idea, no? I could be wrong, but I think this was originated by Island.

got it. thanks.

Actually, it was originated by Rammstein. He had a whole bunch of other suggestions, but this is the only one that stuck.

It ain't hell, but I can see it from here!