How much "change" do you really expect?
 

So Barack picked a career politician for his running mate. (WTF did this guy do at 29 in the Senate? Head down, "don't call on me!" :) ). It's pretty telling for all reasons stated in all other threads.

So given that we all know that nothing moves quickly here in DC, how much change are you the regular voter (outside the beltway) really expecting? From either party...

:eek: I expect to see as much change as when Germany elected Hitler, after all, the racist bho is running the same platform that hitler did, plastering his pix in the same fashion and creating his own seal:eek:

Yep, if he wins, America loses, so start stocking up on guns & ammo as he will start trying to take them away:mad:

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About $3.50.

That's what I expect to be left of my paycheck.

I expect lots of change- And just like the Jimmy Carter years, it won't be good.

About the same amount of promised change that we've received so far from the Reid/Pelosi Dem Congress.

+1

I expect, a buck two eighty, regardless of who is elected Osama or Gramps.

Whoever wins, we all lose.. again.

You're so naive it's friggin laughable. You won't have ANY money left in your pocket. You'll owe just like the rest of us.

Quick, divide $10 trillion in National Debt by 300 million in the US, what's your share?

$33,333 per capita, and going North from there rapidly.

Expect the business climate to look like California's anti-business stance. Profit is EVIL...

I just don't get why people can't seem to get it through their heads that things can change... Maybe it has been too long since a Great Depression?

Yeah, and then that dam Loch Ness monster will try to take that too.

Wow, I thought that one was pretty obscure. :D

No, this time they will be able to deliver. They and Obama see eye to eye on everything and our Congress will beocme a rubber stamp for Obama's socialist agenda. Dems will probably have a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate and a veto proof majority in the House. I don't think we've ever had anything like it before.

If he gets in, it will all come to a screeching halt after the 2010 mid-term elections..

You think so? The Dem majorities in Congress will be much bigger in 2009 than they were in 1994 and there's no one even close to Newt's stature and intelligence in the minority or across the street at the RNC right now. I'm starting to feel like there's nothing Pelosi and Reid can do that will lose them seats. We only ever reward incompetence and we are becoming a socialist country at an exponential rate.

I do think so. The RNC will come up with someone...

It more than a mathematical impossibility for Obama to be a success. It is like fighting against gravity. Elemental laws of this universe say that more is being promised than can be delivered.

Do you remember what a fiasco it was like after 2 years of Carter? And look how the republicans captured the house after 2 years of Clinton.

And I'm pretty sure Obama, Pelosi and Reid will have studied exactly which mistakes Clinton made in his first two years to avoid making them again this time around.

Phil Gramm's filibuster is what killed Hillary's health plan. The Dems not only won't have to worry about getting Republicans votes for it this time, they won't even have to worry about a filibuster. Clinton's '93 tax hike passed by two votes in the House and Al Gore had to break the tie in the Senate. That won't be necessary this time around either. Clinton blamed the whole thing on the NRA, which gladly took credit for the shift in Congress. But we all know they didn't make it happen. The perfect storm of Clinton overreaching with thin majorities in Congress and Newt Gingrich and Haley Barbour running the opposition is what happened here. It ain't gonna happen again.

I'm stunned that a guy like you would take the bait of a preacher (obama style) selling Nothing more than some abstract B.S. of "hope & change".

When preacher Obama passes the plate he will have the IRS watching closely that you "give" all of "your fair share". Barry O' is in this for his con, and your money.

It is correct to assume the Republicans have screwed up the nation so completely, and so obviously, that the Dems will be in the drivers' seat for some time. This happens regularly. I wonder why you guys imagine that it will not happen that way some day. We are in greater debt now. America is losing jobs. We have fewer international friends. Et cetera. Just like clockwork. The American people remember, and forget, and then remember again. This Fall, they will remember.

As far as you guys predictions that your guns and your money will all be confiscated, well I'm not going to dignify those remarks with my comment.

But....this thread is supposed to be about change and hope. So here goes. America this Fall faces, and always seems to face, a choice between fear and hope. Republicans want you to be so afraid that you vote for them. Most of you guys are like that. Very afraid. I think it is disgusting that America even has a political party that hopes you will be frightened.

Economists will quickly tell you that the health of an economy simply has to do with consumer confidence. Hope. A hopeful economy is a rubust economy. A fearful economy is a disaster. A self-fulfilling prophesy. Some of you guys, the younger ones, could eventually come to understand this.

And so.....regardless of whether Obama has some secret strategy that will brilliantly address America's challenge, he will at least give people some release from the scaredy-cat-America crap that the Republicans have been feeding them these past eight years for control purposes. And that alone will be a HUGE improvement.

Plus......and of course you guys won't allow for this possibility......Obama just may have some ideas that, objectively, will help. The hope thing, alone, is probably enough to restore America's self-respect, though.

Will he be legislating hope then?

I'm not as pessimistic as all that Rick. There is an anti-incumbent wind blowing right about now. People are looking to clean house. Also, I think the GOP has found an issue that they can rally behind - drilling! With a side order of abortion!

Plus if Obama keeps opening his pie-hole without his treasured teleprompter, there will be many more gaffes in the next 90 days. W/o his script, he makes W sound like Winston freaking Churchill!

And Bam Bam's VP pick of Joe Biden looks more like desperation than vote gathering. He really needed a woman on the ticket - like Kansas governor Kathleen Sebelius. The bitter old feminists would have been happy (or at least less bitter as they can never be truly happy). And may have been enticed back into the fold.

But as always, the Clintons would have made Bam Bam's life miserable if he picked a woman over Hank.

About the Clinton take-over of health care - Phil Gramm may have killed it in the senate, but the Democrats themselves killed it in the house. I'll never forget this. The GOP were in the minority at the time, and had 10 members in the house Ways and Means committee to the dems 11. The GOP submitted Hillary's health care plan - all 600 pages of it - "as is" for a vote to release it to the floor. All 10 Republicans voted no, all 11 dems voted "present"!! How "Obama" of them. So the "let's-socialize-medicine-and-punish-doctors" plan never made it out of committee.

Of course, that was back when the GOP actually had a set of stones.

There is ALWAYS an anti-incumbent wind. The problem is that about 90% of the public thinks their own Congressman is doing a great job, but that it's all the others who are messing things up. The incumbent re-election rate of the U.S. House makes the Soviet Politburo look competitive. If the Dems are about to increase their majorities in the House and Senate (and they are) after the stunning lack of accomplishment of the last two years, what can't they get away with?

Pros and Cons of Obama
Pros

Looks good on TV
Reads teleprompter effectively
Gets away with plagiarism ...lower writing costs
Chicago based ...good for air travel connections
Kerry confident Obama will inspire Egyptians, and Saudis
Raises boatloads of money from 25,000 corporate fat-cats
Mainstream Media-darling... easier to break election promises
Marxist Michelle will save our broken souls
Increases African-American Democrat support from 90% to 93%
Poet

Cons

Spectacularly underqualified ... (admits not ready)
Dishonest ...lies, lies, lies
Promise-breaker
Self-serving
Divisive
Delusional...Messiah complex?
Spineless...takes both sides of the issue
Elitist ...says mainstream Americans are "bitter"
Disturbing circle of influencers
Extreme policies

Yea, you're right about that. However, there is a recent poll out (I can't seem to find it right now) that says that people are even dissatisfied with their own representatives. As you stated, that usually doesn't happen.

I'm looking for that poll.

I expect Americas first CTO.

That alone is worth the price of admission.

So then, Obama had you at "we can eliminate our need for drilling if we all properly inflate our tires."

:rolleyes:

He had me at "change"

I expect universal health care to pass. We'll give it a few years and see if it is better or not.

oh man I was hoping to retire in 6 years. guess that's not happening eh fellas? unless I go on welfare.

Good thing I'm still young and healthy.

Tell the truth. He had you at "uhhhh."

That's what I was thinking when I started the thread. It's always the same...the people in power want to stay in power and only incremental change can/will be made.


You all outside the Beltway would be shocked at some of the internal business of the government. How bad the records really are. How poorly things work. It's a wonder anything gets accomplished. Look up the President's Management Agenda. Basic stuff, but too until the 2000's to get here? WTF?

BAU (business as usual)

Makes you wonder why anyone would elect a party whose premise is that Govt. is the problem. What better tool to ensure the ruling of your party than to make the govt work as badly as possible. Heckava job Brownie!:confused:

Sad but true...the amount of waste inside the beltway, expressed in both dollars and intellectual capital is astounding.

Term limits is the only real hope for change...everything else is proverbial lipstick on a pig.