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Waste oil in a wood stove????

I have been heating the shop for the last couple of winters with a large home made double barrell wood stove. The thing rocks, and actually heats my shop much better than my $600.00 a month gas bill reznor furnace. I probably have 150 gallons of waste oil in storage right now, and was wondering if i could drip it into the wood furnace. Has anyone ever tried this before??. I had a homemade waste oil furnace that was a drip style, but was a little too dangerous, ( I was afraid to leave it unattened, ) dependin on the oil flow sometimes, it would get really hot , glow orange, and nearly melt down if I didnt manually monitor the oil flow. I was thinking a nice slow oil drip right into the fire pit, to help heat the upper barrel. Any advice or suggestions welcome. Thanks
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I've been researching this myself. I found a very good website detailing a guy that used gravity feed for a drip into a stove. I also knew a guy once that did this. He said the secret was a "screw-in needle jet" to control the drip and he had the drip land on the ball for a trailer hitch. He claimed when the drip of oil hit the ball, it "splattered" and burned more efficiently.

Lemme see if I can find the website...
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Here ya go - Think I'm gonna work on one in the next year or two. I have an old wood stove I'll use:



http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me11.html
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I use to have a customer in middle GA that heated his shop with used waste oil. He loved it, worked great AND DISPOSED OF THE USED OIL.
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Just to be clear, are you talking about using waste oil in a wood furnace in your shop or in your home?

I've seen a few drip-feed systems that are crude but work fantastically. Even then, I'd hesitate to use them in a building I couldn't afford to lose... no way will any insurance company cover them.

I've looked into buying a proper waste-oil furnace to heat our home; many are designed to use either crankcase oil or used vegetable oil. Problem is, none are approved for residential use, so insurance would be out the window.

What some have done to get around this is to set up a waste-fueled hot water furnace in a small outbuilding (like a garden shed) behind the house, and pipe in the hot water through buried pipes. I'd propbably consider that if I was paying to heat with oil, but we use wood heat which is pretty damn cheap.
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surely this is illegal in pitt if not in all of penn.

waste oil [we are talking about motor oil, right] is full of highly toxic heavy metals - burning will spread them into the air and then into people's lungs - your family will likely be most affected

recycle the oil
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A friend has a waste oil heater installed in his shop. It puts out a lot of heat but wasnt cheap at all. No way I would cobble together something like this, buy a real unit or spend some $$ on insulation or an alternative.
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I built a furnace similar to mothers for my shop. in 2006 my heating costs (electric is my only other alternative) were $800. In 2007 after building the heater the cost was $125.

...and old timers trick is drip-feeding waste-oil into wood stoves for shop use. I wouldn't do it in the home. Too messy, too hard to clean. THere is a fair amount of soot that will settle in your chimney. I use a t-pipe to make cleanout and settling easy.

Cost me about $150 to make, 90% of that cost was the insulated flue. I used an old water tank and a big aluminum dish. (Mothers improved design).

However this year I am going to spring for a commerical unit (though still drip feed). Why? If the oil-feed gets out of hand, things can go back quickly. I had a needle valve get slightly jammed with crud and the adjustment went out. I opened it further. When the jam cleared too much oil got in, drip pan overflowed and the stove temp spiked to well over 1200 degrees from it's averate op temp of 600-700. It got scary. I slammed the intake damper and all was well... ...but had I stepped out for 10 minutes? Oi! The commercial units have thermo controls, overflow protection, and other safety items that a homemade solution will not. Too much $ in my shop to risk it, good experiement though!
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Too bad my "shop" is the garage attached to my home, a waste oil heater would be awesome. No more hauling a dirty 5-gal bucket full of oil to the nearest recycling site. Back in my mechanic days the shop I worked at had a waste oil heater for the entire place. It was very effective and essentially free heat. Being a big-truck shop, a normal oil change was about 15 qts. That's a lot of heat.
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waste oil with radiant flooring would be awesome..i know a guy that has that in his shop...works great
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I wish I had invested in at least installing the piping for mine when I built it. May not have used it for years, but it's harder to do now.
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Burning waste oil laden with toxins. Thats awesome.
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My buddies shop is heated with a commercial waste oil furnace - It was real pricey in the beginning but the backup furnace rarely comes on. I'm not sure if his is a drip system, I thought he told me the oil is injected under pressure.

He dumps anything burnable into a large barrell with a set of filters, then the oil rests for a while while any metals, etc that are too small for the filters settle to the bottom, the furnace then pumps oil from the top of the container into the furnace which is mounted 12' in the air.

He loves it and plans to buy another for an expansion plan.
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HardDrive, et al...

Waste oil heating is approved by the EPA for small shop use. There are some fairly extensive studies published around this particular topic, I'll let you do the homework I did if you're interested. Here are a few pertinent facts:

1. One of the main considerations was overall impact to the environment. THe conclusion was reached that the pollution/toxin impact was significantly lower for burning the products properly onsite than the combined risk of storage, multiple transport, handling, and disposal of these products.

2. Liability reduction: Remember that your liability for waste-oil is cradle-to-grave. IE, if you drop off your 55 gallon drum with authorities and they load it on a truck, and that truck crashes, YOU can be held liable.

3. Energy usage reduction: Obvious.

The key point is #1. The US EPA and a number of others have stated a number of times that it's BETTER to burn onsite than to run the risk of standard disposal. That said, dripping waste-oil into your wood stove is not quite what they had in mind. This is why I'm investing in a commercial unit. Ash and leavings are disposed of, the exhaust from commercial units is quite clean.


Randy, on that same note: My buddy has a 6 bay shop. His gas bills were $1500 per month. Spent $6k on a waste-oil heater. Gas bill last January was $91.00
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There are dedicated waste oil burning setups, the burners aren't cheap, as they have several preheaters to keep everything flowing, an air injector to atomize, and a unique nozzle, but they can be used on any standard oil furnace, hot air or water.

The cowboy approach to "dripping" waste oil works ok, but its a fringe thing. Magazines like Mother Jones have tons of plans...
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I stand corrected. I did a bit or research on it. I appologize for the snide comment.
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Anyone here ever play around with a babington burner? I made one using a brass knob with a small drilled hole & compressed air. You run a stream of fuel (just about anything) over the knob, and the airflow atomizes it.

With some tweaking, I was getting a 10' flame. Pretty fun stuff, but I didn't really have a use for it other than entertainment.

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chris - no indiv. or small shop will have liability - rcra has an exclusion [loophole] just to protect them

btw - here is nh's web site on this issue:
http://des.nh.gov/organization/commissioner/p2au/pps/ppmp/used_oil.htm

you must check with your state & local authorities first! an unpermitted jury0-rigged burner is gonna get slammed
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