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ZOA NOM 10-05-2008 08:33 AM

Wow! Kimbo SLice goes down with one punch.
 
Man, he better lose the attitude, or he's gonna start looking kind of foolish. Admittedly, it was a perfect shot that cut him over the left eye, and seemingly jolted his brain just enough to disconnect it from reality long enough for the ref to save him. Ken Shamrock is the real loser, since he was replaced at the 11th hour by journeyman Seth Petruzelli on his way out of the sport, due to, ironically, a cut he suffered over his own left eye while "warming up" for the fight. Events may have unfolded differently for Shamrock, but, apparently, Kimbo was ripe for the killing, and it would have been a nice feather in the retirement cap for him.

In other action, Gina Carrano, the hottest MMA fighter/Muay Tai champ on the planet put a solid whippin on a sturdy Kelly Kobold.

I've noticed that the Broadcast Network version of the sport tends to mirror the absurdity of the Boxing world, while the cable and PPV folks tend to focus on the sport. In any event, it's the best combat sport there is, and should continue to send boxing to it's grave.

tangerine911S 10-05-2008 08:38 AM

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ZOA NOM 10-05-2008 08:43 AM

LOL!! That's great!

DasBoot 10-05-2008 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ZOA NOM (Post 4219890)
Man, he better lose the attitude, or he's gonna start looking kind of foolish. Admittedly, it was a perfect shot that cut him over the left eye, and seemingly jolted his brain just enough to disconnect it from reality long enough for the ref to save him.

My buddy paid top $$$ for good seats to the event. I watched on TV. Hmm...$250/14 secs. = ?/hr.?

widgeon13 10-05-2008 09:27 AM

That is hilarious!

ZOA NOM 10-05-2008 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DasBoot (Post 4219933)
My buddy paid top $$$ for good seats to the event. I watched on TV. Hmm...$250/14 secs. = ?/hr.?

To be fair, the undercards were pretty good fights.

87coupe 10-05-2008 11:22 AM

Dude, some of us hadn't seen it yet :| Please title the thread appropriately w/ SPOILER! and leave out the results next time.

TerryBPP 10-05-2008 12:48 PM

I grew up with Seth. Very nice kid. Haven't talked to him since he moved to Orlando to start serious training.

He is on the lower end of good MMA guys, just shows you how crappy they fighters are compared to UFC.

ZOA NOM 10-05-2008 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 87coupe (Post 4220126)
Dude, some of us hadn't seen it yet :| Please title the thread appropriately w/ SPOILER! and leave out the results next time.

Man, my bad. I assumed it was all over the place since it was on network TV, not PPV.

speeder 10-05-2008 06:42 PM

I've watched a bunch of that Kimbo guy's fights on youtube. He's definitely a tough guy for a street fighter, but most of the guys he fought in those videos were absolute stiffs. There is one video of him losing an underground fight, (to an Irish dude-yeah!), but it's just a brutal fight. Like a 10-round bare-knuckle boxing match with not much in the way of a ref.

I'm a boxing fan and most of these guys would get killed by a real boxer in a boxing match, they are horrible. I'm not a big UFC fan- two guys humping each other in speedos isn't my thing. To each their own, though.

ZOA NOM 10-05-2008 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by speeder (Post 4220755)
I've watched a bunch of that Kimbo guy's fights on youtube. He's definitely a tough guy for a street fighter, but most of the guys he fought in those videos were absolute stiffs. There is one video of him losing an underground fight, (to an Irish dude-yeah!), but it's just a brutal fight. Like a 10-round bare-knuckle boxing match with not much in the way of a ref.

I'm a boxing fan and most of these guys would get killed by a real boxer in a boxing match, they are horrible. I'm not a big UFC fan- two guys humping each other in speedos isn't my thing. To each their own, though.

That's interesting, I believe the opposite. Boxers, even the best ones couldn't last one round against a good MMA fighter. They're too one-dimensional.

speeder 10-05-2008 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ZOA NOM (Post 4221044)
That's interesting, I believe the opposite. Boxers, even the best ones couldn't last one round against a good MMA fighter. They're too one-dimensional.

I'm talking about if they had to box, not hump each other in speedos. A middle-of-the-road fighter would destroy any MMA dude in a boxing match, which is a real sport. Guys elbowing someone if the face while they are on the ground is not a sport to me. It's street-fighting, sure, but it's garbage. YMMV. :cool:

SlowToady 10-05-2008 09:45 PM

I disagree. For example, take Mike Tyson in his prime. He was such a great boxer precisely because he understood street fighting so well*. I think you'd be hard pressed to come up with an MMA fighter who would/could give prime-era Mike Tyson an ass whoopin.

*Not my original thought. I believe it was originally his manager that said that, I recall it being someone close to him. It was in a magazine, which I cannot find right now.

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Originally Posted by ZOA NOM (Post 4221044)
That's interesting, I believe the opposite. Boxers, even the best ones couldn't last one round against a good MMA fighter. They're too one-dimensional.


speeder 10-05-2008 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SlowToady (Post 4221058)
I disagree. For example, take Mike Tyson in his prime.

It would make his bout with Michael Spinks look like a long fight. :cool:

SlowToady 10-06-2008 05:08 AM

" In fact the force of Tyson’s knock out punch has an 85% chance of giving his opponent severe brain damage and is easily great enough to fracture any bone in the average human skull."

http://www.gamezone.com/news/05_20_02_08_21PM.htm

jhynesrockmtn 10-06-2008 06:29 AM

Sport? Really? I'm not saying these guys aren't tough but sport is not crafting an "image" beating up stiffs on Youtube. Show might be a better word.

From Dan Wetzel's column:

SUNRISE, Fla. – The legend of Kimbo Slice was built by beating bums in boat yards and back alleys not far from here. It came crashing down Saturday courtesy of a quick punch from a pink-haired journeyman giving up two inches in height, four in reach and 30 pounds in muscle and might.

One simple shot sent Slice to the canvas and from there some guy named Seth Petruzelli needed just 12 punches and 14 seconds to put an end (we hope) to one of the great sporting charades of all time.

It was just a matter of time before Kimbo got exposed. He was little more than a character out of central casting, a bunch of addictive YouTube videos and a lot of insane hype by CBS, which made him a headliner before he made himself a fighter.

He was the Kimbo the Cash Machine, everyone lining up to exploit the lie that this was the baddest man on earth as long as he could walk through hand-picked tomato cans.

Only this time his match with 44-year-old Ken Shamrock, who hadn’t won a fight in over four years, fell apart when Shamrock cut his eye in a light training session Saturday and was deemed unfit to fight by state officials.

In the scramble to find a suitable replacement that Slice couldn’t possibly lose to, EliteXC considered Shamrock’s brother, Frank, who was there to be CBS’s color commentator, hadn’t fought lately due to a broken arm and would have given up around 45 pounds. Despite all this, Frank likely would have submitted Kimbo in the first round.

When that matchup couldn’t happen (EliteXC said state officials wouldn’t clear him, Frank said they did but CBS blocked it), EliteXC promoters turned to Petruzelli. The Fort Myers, Fla., native had been dumped by the big-league UFC, was just 2-2 since 2004, had recently taken a year off to start a business, weighed just 205 (to Kimbo’s 235) and was so lightly regarded he was competing in the non-televised undercard.
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Despite the oft-repeated propaganda that Slice was a man of “courage” for taking a fight with this smaller guy who was likely to stand and trade punches anyway, EliteXC paid Kimbo a cash bonus just to get him to step into the cage.

“We made it up to him,” said Jeremy Lappen, EliteXC’s head of fight operations. He wouldn’t disclose the amount.

For the myth of Slice, the matchup may not be a 44-year-old on a losing streak or someone from the broadcast booth, but really, what was the worst thing that could happen?

“It didn’t feel too flush,” Petruzelli said of the first punch that apparently didn’t even need to land squarely to fell Kimbo.

Make no mistake – or listen to the EliteXC spin – this was a disaster for Slice and the company. “This is MMA, all the best have lost,” said Lappen. True, but Kimbo wasn’t defeated by a crafty Brazilian jiu-jitsu master. He wasn’t caught in a submission by an experienced wrestler. He didn’t lose a decision after a three-round brawl.

Those would be understandable considering his novice status.

Kimbo was KTFO by a guy he absolutely towered over yet was willing to bang with him anyway. Not that Kimbo did any banging. Slice charged him (“He was like a truck,” Petruzelli said) but he never actually landed a punch.

In the end, Kimbo’s hand speed, defense and chin proved incapable against even an average mixed martial artist. Which was pretty much what every hardcore fan had predicted.

Not that CBS didn’t keep up with the Slice willing to fight, “anyone, anywhere, at anytime.” This was a 100 percent true statement if “anyone, anywhere, at anytime” means “no one any good, anywhere, ever.”

Slice seemed stunned and a bit saddened at the turn of events. After it was over, he initially began wrestling the referee. Whether that was a protest for the decision or because he was dazed isn’t certain. Then he walked around the cage complaining to fans about the stoppage.

Later he walked out on his CBS interview (“Kimbo?” asked a stunned Gus Johnson), although not before inviting America to an after party at a local nightclub. Then he showed up 45 minutes late for the main press conference, where he gave a quick statement and bailed.

“I got my first black eye,” he laughed. He later turned to Petruzelli and joked, “You knocked me out in front of my family; that’s (expletive) up.”

Through it all Slice remained the only likable character of this foolish farce. He wasn’t the one claiming he was the best in the world. He was just a working-class dude who figured out how to beat the system and cash in on his 15 minutes of fleeting fame.

He’s got kids to feed and bills to pay and right to the end, he was milking bonuses out of the promotion, a one-time homeless man holding the Tiffany Network’s prime-time programming hostage. Only in America.

He was the grand actor in the middle of a three-ring circus, a tall tale that would eventually come tumbling down under the bright glare of reality.

Where Slice goes from here is anyone’s guess. He can’t rebuild his reputation without stepping up in competition from the guy who just beat him in seconds. He can’t headline a card and have anyone believe he’s legit. He can’t claim he, “just got caught” when it wasn’t some wild, roundhouse right or sneaky arm-bar that did him in.

The truth was always coming for Kimbo. Saturday it arrived sooner rather than later, the money train grinding to a halt courtesy of a smaller, less heralded fighter that no one can claim is some elite champion.

No, this was it. It’ll never be the same, not for the fighter and not, perhaps, for his entire promotion that just lost its signature star on top of the $58 million it’s burned the past two years.

Afterward, EliteXC execs tried to paint a bright future but admitted they needed a drink. Lower-level employees used gallows humor about finding new jobs.

Kimbo just said he was going home to see his kids.

In 14 seconds flat, the whole mirage was gone.

speeder 10-06-2008 08:47 AM

I've watched the video of that "fight" in slo-mo, from a good lateral POV and neither the push kick or the "punch" connected. At all. KS simply lost his balance, (these guys do a weird lunge for the other guy's torso against the ropes), fell on his face and the other guy slugged him in the back of the head a few times until he turned and then went to town on him while down.

There was no "knockout", unless you claim that slipping in the bathtub while practicing your break-dancing moves is getting KO'ed. The guy slipped and fell like a bum at the supermarket. Any legit HW boxer would destroy the poor guy in seconds, but it would not be remotely fair to put him in the ring w/ one. Unless he's done some really bad things in life they we don't know about.

ZOA NOM 10-06-2008 03:13 PM

I'm not sure what you're smokin, but he didn't cut his head on the canvas. He clearly took a short, stiff right directly on the left eyebrow, and his neck compressed. At that instant, he went limp, and dropped. It was precisely the same punch that Ali dropped Sonny Liston with.

As for whether it's a sport or not, or how boxers might fare, we may never know, they don't seem to want anything to do with mixed martial arts.

As for Tyson, he wouldn't last one MMA round with guys like Anderson Silva, or Fedor Emelianenko, or Royce Gracie. They probably wouldn't last in a boxing ring with pillows on their hands, but Tyson wouldn't have that luxury in an alley.

MMA is clearly a more technical combat sport than boxing ever was, which is why there are no boxers who will even try to come over to MMA.

Here is the video. Pay close attention 3 seconds in.

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the 10-06-2008 03:43 PM

I don't follow this stuff at all, but I agree, that was not a slip. At 3 seconds in, he gets dropped by the punch.

TerryBPP 10-06-2008 03:49 PM

Kimbo beat Ray Mercer. Thats means that a crappy MMA fighter can beat a once heavy weight boxing champion. End of discussion.

Tyson was a pitbull and probably would have done very well in MMA, I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't try it eventually.

So I think speedy is trying to say collegiate wrestling is for wusses?:rolleyes:


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