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idontknow 10-15-2008 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RWebb (Post 4240829)
no rights are absolute -- all can be overridden in certain circumstances
- s. ct. has said that the closest any right comes to absolute is.... [drumroll] no, not freedom of speech -- the petition clause

2nd - riggts usually run against the govt. - that's why we have a Const. -- not against other persons -- some rights are statutory of course

and last, but NOT least -- that is your right to gay sex - not mine

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.-That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men..."

RWebb 10-15-2008 08:36 PM

jeff - trust me -- read my other post too

the entire employer-employee relation derives from the master-servant relation [merry ol' england] with modifications fo various con'l and statutory rights

that is why a law school class on biz law uses the word duty so often

understand if you think it unfair - but that is the legal history

Danimal16 10-16-2008 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by RWebb (Post 4240822)
uh no -- they pass muster on the premise that the owner OWNS the business!!


it's HIS!

capitalism, anyone?

Yes and no. If the business is open to the public and the owner wants to disallow another person to exercise their rights to carry and protect themselves, the owner, having denied these rights for access in the pursuit of his capitalistic venture now must assure the safety of the person who is not allowed to carry. It will be interesting.

Danimal16 10-16-2008 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins (Post 4240741)
I would suggest that limitations on activities such as political speech in the workplace have all passed muster on one very simple premise: To engage in them, you are using time and/or resources that should be devoted to doing whatever it is that employer pays folks to do. Even things that are merely a distraction in the work place, such as inappropriate atire, can be argued to reduce productivity. There are valid business cases for restricting activities and distractions that impact the work being done. Employers should have the right to restrict these things.

Being armed, however, does none of that. A CCW holder does not (cannot, by law) display the weapon. There is no reason for anyone in the office, or shop, or what have you, to even know who is armed. Under those circumstances, no employer can ever make any sort of business case based on lost productivity. There is nothing going on that will affect the employer in any way.

Remember, this is an inalienable right - that of being armed in the name of self defense. If an employer does not "like" that, I would opine that his arguments fall into the same catagory as not "liking" gays, blacks, hispanics, women, Democrats, etc. There can be no case made for excluding those folks from employment. Why is it employers can make a case for excluding those who choose to exercise their right to be armed? I just don't get it.

Good illustration. +1

Danimal16 10-16-2008 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by RWebb (Post 4240829)
no rights are absolute -- all can be overridden in certain circumstances
- s. ct. has said that the closest any right comes to absolute is.... [drumroll] no, not freedom of speech -- the petition clause

2nd - riggts usually run against the govt. - that's why we have a Const. -- not against other persons -- some rights are statutory of course

and last, but NOT least -- that is your right to gay sex - not mine

Mr. Webb,

Not necessarily so in your second point. Torts and civil actions are defined by the Constitution so to redress matters of a civil nature. Rights fall under this and yes people do deny others their rights, it is called crime. Public vs. private clubs and access to minorities comes to mind, so there are limitations on businesses as well. If you have a private business you may get away with it but if you serve the public you cannot have it both ways.

Rick Lee 10-16-2008 07:43 AM

I follow a don't ask/don't tell policy. I couldn't care less what the sign says. If there's no metal detector, I'm carrying.


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