GT2 vs GT-R debate settled.
 

The GT-R is an incredible car for its price but I'd still buy a comparably priced 911 any day. The Nissan is just plain ugly and I just couldn't bear looking at it every day regardless of how inexpensive it is. Think of it this way, I'd rather be with a girl that's fantastically beautiful but just average in bed than a girl who's excellent in the sack but I'd be afraid to wake up next to.

It is nice to see that, but at the same time who cares? Most of us will never be able to make use of a fraction of the potential these cars have at the Ring. I'm glad Nissan made the GT-R and made it so fast.. hopefully it really will rewrite the supercar manual and we'll start seeing more performance for less money (even if I can't use it, I still want it :)).

One of the guys in my local sports car club has one.. it's seriously fast.. and seriously expensive to maintain. $300 oil changes, $1300 transmissions fluid changes(at least the first one has to be done in under a year)

More like choosing between two girls who are both incredible in every way, except one is beautiful and the other could make a freight train take a dirt road. The beautiful one also has great blood-lines, and the ugly one not so much. Beautiful one is a joy to be around forever, ugly one gets tiresome right away. But both fk like a sewing machine, you can't even come close to getting maximum performance out of them. You'd need to hire a team of pro drivers for that. :)

Are we still talking about the hot girlfriends??

Saw the Nissan on the road the other day.

Was ugly as sin in real life, IMHO.

I really looked over the Nissan that was on display at the Seattle Auto Show. It's actually quite a big car. While I was examining it, a salesman walked up, obviously having noticed my Porsche (actually, R Gruppe with a big picute of a 911 on it) shirt. He was pretty darn proud of the fact it had "beaten" the "Poorsh" around the 'Ring. I told him it was generally accepted at this point that Nissan had run a specially prepped car, on slicks (their driver had even said so, and they "corrected" his statement - "poor English", don'tcha know?). I also told him that no one had been able to independantly even begin to approach their time, much less duplicate it or beat it. In the end, I told him, it was generally accepted - and would soon be definitivley proven - that they were lying. Looks like it has been. Anyway, my final jab was to ask him how that warranty case in Florida was going, and how long I could expect the transmission to last in this one, and would his dealership cover repairs when (not if) I blew it up. He walked away, no doubt thinking I was some arrogant ass hole Porsche snob who simply had his feelings hurt when "his" car "beat" "my" car. Oh well. The word is out on these things. They are fantastic cars, no doubt about it. But Nissan's deceit, followed immediately by this transmission warranty issue, has forever doomed it to be "that" car.

Guy down the street from me has a GT-R (parks in on the street!) and to me it is no looker. I hear tales of voided warranty claims if you turn off the traction control. True?

Hell...I think they are both Fugly. The eye of the beholder, I 'spose...

I'm not surprised; either that the Porsche won, or that the Nissan was close in some of the most challenging areas of the 'Ring.

I agree that the GT-R is aesthetically unpleasing, and if they'd skinned it differently, it'd be much more appealing... especially in that it's so much cheaper than a GT2. If I could get 98% the performance of a GT2 for less than half the Porsche ante... and could bear to look at it ... I'd go with the Nissan.

I think it's obvious Nissan fudged the numbers, but it's still a ridiculously hot car (in all ways other than visual).

grudk -- the story goes that if you turn off the TC and launch the car, you're likely to destroy the transmission -- a $30,000 injury. There is at least one tale that's been circulating on the Nissan boards of such a thing happening to a brand new GT-R driver.

MHO, if the warranty says "turn off the TC and blow up a transmission and we don't cover it" and you (1) turn off the TC and (2) blow up a transmission... it's your own damned fault.

JP

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Thanks Markus, that rocked almost as much as you do.

So Sabine drives like that because of swole up ovaries? Judging from how my wife was on fertility meds, it does not surprise me a bit.

If the warranty is voided on the transmission by turning off the traction control, and they tell you so, why would there be an off switch in the first place?

I guess the guy who loaned them his GTR has no warranty now

... same reason there were apples in the Garden of Eden? :D


I thought the same thing, and that's the best I could come up with...

JP