New JFK Book

[Drdogface]

I've been reading 'Legacy of Secrecy' these past few days are am totally engrossed. Likely many of you are too young to care much about the case but I was a college freshman at the time...in a final exam as a matter of fact. In reference to another thread, I guess Dealy Plaza is one of the most historically significant places I've been.

This new book, about 800 pages, is very well documented and brings up things never heard before. Great read...and I think this guy nails it down pretty well. Same guys killed Bobby and MLK.

Anyone else reading it ?

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You will not pay attention to the curtain, you will not look behind the curtain.

[Dottore]

May I ask who the villains are in this one?

Mafia?

Secret Service?

CIA?

Fairplay for Cuba guys?

[MRM]

I appreciate you reading this book. I have not read it, but I have read a few others.

It is well documented that Bobby Kennedy was killed by the work of more than one person; specififically more than one shooter. There was at least one more shot fired than the number of rounds that Sirhan Sirhan's gun held. That is in addition to the fact that he had obvious logistical support. The story I heard was that the most likely scenario for the extra shooter was that a security guard fired the final (and fatal) shot into Kennedy as he was on the ground. I saw a Frontline-type TV show exploring the theory and they actually tracked down the guard in question and tried to interview him. Strangely enough, he had a lawyer who directed him not to talk to anyone. The logistical support people were probably some one-time cell that disapeared. The security guard probably just took advantage of the situation and acted on his own.

As for MLK, the facts surrounding James Earl Ray's appearance, disapearance and escape have never been established. Most people don't know he got clean away from the scene and was almost out of the country when he was caught. It seems pretty certain that he was the shooter, but who was behind him and how he got too and from the scene has never been discovered.

I think it is important to read both sides of the issue and be fully informed before making definitive conclusions. To fully evaluate JFK's assasination, I challenge everyone to read a book by I think it's Gerald Posner, called Case Closed. He lays out the case for Oswald to have been the lone assasin. He does an excellent job. I will agree to read Legacy of Secrecy if you agree to read Case Closed.

I also spoke once to Vincent Bugliosi, the prosecutor of Charles Manson, author of Helter Skelter, and several other true crime books, after he spoke at my school. Bugliosi had just finished researching the issue for a TV docudrama and had come away convinced that Oswald was the lone gunner, and that although he could not disprove the existence of a conspiracy, he could find no evidence that one existed, and he thought he had disproved to his own satisfaction that the existing conspiracy theories were untrue. He had a mock trial of Oswald with Gerry Spence on TV a few years earlier. Eventually he published his research in a book called Reclaiming History: The Assasination of President John F. Kennedy.

It's clearly an important topic that is subject to serious examination and discussion.

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somebody should stick to spoons

[Drdogface]

Originally Posted by Dottore

May I ask who the villains are in this one?

Mafia?

Secret Service?

CIA?

Fairplay for Cuba guys?

Simply, Yes...and I'm not being a smart ass. Mostly the work of three Mafia dons, Roselli, Marcello and Trafficante with help from some Cuban exiles and CIA who had gone bad. That's his story anyway, and apparently there were 'near death' confessions by all three Mafiaosi. Many, many more details than I can even keep track of.

[Drdogface]

Originally Posted by MRM

I will agree to read Legacy of Secrecy if you agree to read Case Closed.

Agreed.

This book is dated 2008 so is brand new. Seems well documented but I agree there are tons of theories. I recall the History Chnl. had a couple of weeks of different theories about five years ago. I was glued to the set. You can, or could, buy it all on DVD if you wanted to spring for it. I never did. Once I finish this book, I'll look for 'Case Closed' and go from there. I have knee replacement surgery on Monday so it may be a while

One of the televised theories had Oswald having a serious affair with a nurse from, I think South Carolina, who'd been hired by a Dr. in Houston? who was working on a genetically engineered virus to be smuggled into Cuba to get Castro. Oswald was allegedly gonna do that..or at least get it to Mexico. The rest is fuzzy in my memory.

There is also a new book by Saint John Hunt (strange first names) who is the son of E. Howard Hunt of Watergate fame. E. Howard was career CIA and was in on some of the JFK story. I have not gotten that far yet but JFK and RFK were plotting a major assassination and coup of Fidel to be hatched on Dec. 1. Mob knew all about it, or so it seems and that was their leverage for cover up.

[Halm]

This sounds interesting. I'll pick it up. Another good read on the topic is "Best Evidence" by David Lifton. It was written around 1981.

[Drdogface]

If you go to this web site you can read about the Hunt Connection and hear his (alleged) taped bedside confession to his son: http://www.saintjohnhunt.com/ Not very specific, however.

Who knows if any/all of this is true or hyped for a Christmas book or two...

[Sonic dB]

There is a show that they run on the History channel that proves that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. They used computer simulations to prove that the shot took the exact tragectory from the Book Depository window down through JFKs throat and then in to the right shoulder and out of Connelly who was seated slightly to the left in front of JFK... the frames of the Zapruter film proved this as well as the reactions of Kennedy and Connelly matched up perfectly... in addition the "back and to the left" that Costner said in "JFK" is also fallacious as a bullet enterring a head can either throw the head back or forward...it is not always in the direction of the bullet.

Also, Oswalds bolt-action, Italian made rifle could certainly fire that many shots in 8 seconds which was proven by a 90 year old man who sat there in the same spot, aimed and reloaded easily 3 times in the 8 seconds.

[Drdogface]

It seems that there are lots of 'proven' theories.

[MRM]

Curiously, it is uncontested that Oswald fired shots from the Texas Book Depository Building. Eyewitnesses watched him shoot. They identified him later. The conspiracy theories revolve around whether there were additional shooters and/or whether someone put him up to it. I suppose there may be some people claiming that he didn't fire all three shots, but as far as I know, all the major theories admit that Oswald was a shooter, if not the shooter. But I don't know nothin' about spoons.

You have a deal. I'll look for the book this week. It's been ages since I read Case Closed. I am partial to that and the Bugliosi book because they're written by lawyers, but everyone has their quirks. BTW, Bugliosi might be the most brilliant trial lawyer I've ever met.

[Drdogface]

Originally Posted by MRM

I am partial to that and the Bugliosi book because they're written by lawyers, ......

That makes me question things right off the bat

"Legacy...." is on Amazon for about $25

I still have to finish it and, like I said, into knee surgery so will be out of the loop for a few weeks. I'll then look for Case Closed

[BGCarrera32]

I have been to the 6th floor museum and stood to the right of the window were LHO fired the shots. Given the trajectory, speed of the motorcade, position of the vehicle...no way. 2nd shooter.

Can't say why or where, but cry b.s. that he acted alone.

[Drdogface]

Originally Posted by BGCarrera32

I have been to the 6th floor museum and stood to the right of the window were LHO fired the shots. Given the trajectory, speed of the motorcade, position of the vehicle...no way. 2nd shooter.

Can't say why or where, but cry b.s. that he acted alone.

I have been there too. I agree completely. If he was only shooter the best/easiest shot would have been before the left turn....it was a dead on head shot with little or no movement. My opinion, at this point, is that he never fired a shot but was just the fall guy from the start. Way too many people heard shots from the knoll.

Having said that, I'll read other books and compare.

[Red Baron]

I would suggest the book 'Mafia Kingfish' Carlos Marcello and the assasination of JFK.

Very interesting how Maecello's surrugate influence was used in regards to Oswald. It also paints a strong sensible motrive that starts with the Bobby Kennedy vs Marcello relationship. Marcello is the central figure in bringing, Oswald, Ferrie and Ruby into the picture, and considering the significant part each played it's a very compelling read.

[madmmac]

Another interesting read is Mortal Error.

[Matt Holcomb]

[varmint]

groan.



read "case closed" by gerald posner. or the vincent bugliosi book if you have a month to spare.

[911Rob]

Sounds interesting; I'll have to read this one.

I've read many books on the subject, I find them very interesting. The best one that comes to mind is a book by the God Father's nephew called "Double Crossed"; it's no longer published but you can find it in used book stores or the library. It's a fascinating read with real names and facts.

The significance of the Gubmint in our lives is very insignificant; these types of books really open your eyes to the injustice systems we live under