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carnutzzz 12-09-2008 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by BReif61 (Post 4349811)
I'm sorry, but that was a terrible analogy, and was a joke on the show.
Not quite- the point was all in how the car is used.

Obviously putting around town the Prius would do much better, but on a track the Prius was at 10/10ths, the M3 probably at 3/10ths.

Likewise, if you put a loaded trailer behind a Prius vs. a Tahoe I'll bet the Tahoe gets better MPG.

Not everyone can afford a different car for each need- so they buy one vehicle that can do all of it. Paying a lot for gas is still cheaper than buying another vehicle.

JavaBrewer 12-09-2008 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Rikao4 (Post 4349628)
neighbor beotched about gas ..
sold his Armada...(no kids/no dogs)..
last week he got a Hummer..
his wife drives a big GMC...
when gas was 3 + he was carpooling with buddies to work..
forgotten....

Rika
Wow that is really insane.

We're holding onto our LR Discovery (10 mpg average) and driving it more often now that gas is under $2.00/gal. Last summer a fill cost ~ $115 and now it's $45. My Audi TT (25 mpg average) is my DD.

I highly doubt the increase of SUVs at the pumps these days reflect short term memory loss. Most of my neighbors have kept their SUVs rather than "giving them away" when gas was really expensive. They're just using them more now that gas is so cheap.

edit - well I started reading the news about SUV sales and I guess I was wrong. People are pretty short sighted.

BReif61 12-09-2008 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by carnutzzz (Post 4349832)
Not quite- the point was all in how the car is used.

Obviously putting around town the Prius would do much better, but on a track the Prius was at 10/10ths, the M3 probably at 3/10ths.

Likewise, if you put a loaded trailer behind a Prius vs. a Tahoe I'll bet the Tahoe gets better MPG.

Not everyone can afford a different car for each need- so they buy one vehicle that can do all of it. Paying a lot for gas is still cheaper than buying another vehicle.
Apples to orange comparisons (esp. when people take the joking ones seriously) just annoy the crap out of me. Why not have the M3 go through stop and go traffic?

Hybrid SUV vs regular SUV? As in, something that would actually produce usable data.

/rant.

VINMAN 12-09-2008 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by carnutzzz (Post 4349744)
Can we have one thread where we don't talk about Obama? :D



Some of you people need to lighten up- sheesh. Economy cars suck- period. You can't haul friends and your dog in one up to the mountains. You can't tow a trailer or a boat, or bring home new furniture.

The SUV signifies everything that is great about America. It matters not the vehicle, but the driver in it when it comes to fuel economy, safety, etc.

I see a lot of generalizations about SUV drivers- why aren't you guys complaining about black people? When I go into town I see them driving 76 Chevys with 24 inch wheels- what kind of fuel economy are they getting? They never upgrade the brakes either so you know they can't stop. Imagine the pollution too! :rolleyes:

You don't complain and stereotype because you aren't jealous of them.

Shoot- I just saw on Top Gear last night an M3 followed a Prius around the track for 10 laps. The M3 got 2 mpg BETTER than the Prius.

Some of you guys need to get with the program- if you want a world where other people can judge you and determine how large of a car you NEED, the next step is to tell you how fast (slow) a car you NEED.

If Lamborghinis were cheap we'd all be driving them and they get 12 mpg so suck it.
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Kraftwerk 12-09-2008 09:37 AM
Gas prices will remain low until dealers can sell off all the SUV's which are collecting dust on their lots. Clear the inventory and then the price will go back towards 75$ a barrel.

carnutzzz 12-09-2008 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by BReif61 (Post 4349904)
Apples to orange comparisons (esp. when people take the joking ones seriously) just annoy the crap out of me. Why not have the M3 go through stop and go traffic?

Hybrid SUV vs regular SUV? As in, something that would actually produce usable data.

/rant.

Have you ever watched Top Gear? It's a show for enthusiasts. The show you are looking for is AutoWeek...

SLO-BOB 12-09-2008 09:53 AM
I think it's silly to say that SUVs are bad. They can be the right tool for the right job, just like a Porsche 911 or a Toyota Prius. The problem is that a ton of people bought into the rugged, he-man, I'm goin' camping dream and then drove solo only to Starbucks and the only time they went off-road is when they rolled it exiting the highway too fast.

The right tool for the right job. Live it.

carnutzzz 12-09-2008 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Kraftwerk (Post 4349983)
Gas prices will remain low until dealers can sell off all the SUV's which are collecting dust on their lots. Clear the inventory and then the price will go back towards 75$ a barrel.
You're kidding right? You're supposed to use green text.

onewhippedpuppy 12-09-2008 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by carnutzzz (Post 4349744)
I see a lot of generalizations about SUV drivers- why aren't you guys complaining about black people? When I go into town I see them driving 76 Chevys with 24 inch wheels- what kind of fuel economy are they getting? They never upgrade the brakes either so you know they can't stop. Imagine the pollution too! :rolleyes:

You don't complain and stereotype because you aren't jealous of them.
Not jealous?! Once you go black.........:cool:

dd74 12-09-2008 10:34 AM
SUVs - it's not just the inherent lousy gas mileage, it's the size of these monsters. When trying to make a left-hand turn in your little Porsche cars while facing a Yukon in front of you that's also trying to turn left the opposite direction - can you see around the Yukon? Can you see around it even if you were in a standard-sized sedan or wagon? How about parking at the mall or hardware store? The parking spaces are getting more narrow, and the SUVs are growing wider.

Sure, they have a purpose. Or did. But with sports wagons that get better mileage, are faster, and handle better such as the BMW, Mercedes, Volvo, Audi, to name a few, which also carry nearly as much cargo, the SUV is, IMO, eclipsed on the functionality front.

lendaddy 12-09-2008 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by dd74 (Post 4350113)
SUVs - it's not just the inherent lousy gas mileage, it's the size of these monsters. When trying to make a left-hand turn in your little Porsche cars while facing a Yukon in front of you that's also trying to turn left the opposite direction - can you see around the Yukon? Can you see around it even if you were in a standard-sized sedan or wagon? How about parking at the mall or hardware store? The parking spaces are getting more narrow, and the SUVs are growing wider.

Sure, they have a purpose. Or did. But with sports wagons that get better mileage, are faster, and handle better such as the BMW, Mercedes, Volvo, Audi, to name a few, which also carry nearly as much cargo, the SUV is, IMO, eclipsed on the functionality front.
Sounds like you're not a target customer, I wouldn't buy one if I were you :D

dd74 12-09-2008 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by lendaddy (Post 4350121)
Sounds like you're not a target customer, I wouldn't buy one if I were you :D
I'd buy a V10 Touareg...maybe. But honestly, it looks like as much can fit in a Fit as a Touareg. Of course, a Fit can't do this:
http://www.automotoportal.com/media/...61122012.1.jpg
SmileWavy

126coupe 12-09-2008 11:31 AM
Just got back from Target. The wife and I walking through the parking lot are stopped dead in our tracks while a women by her lonesome, in a Escalade, has to make a 4 point turn just to get out of the parking space. This happens all the time, comical. :D

lendaddy 12-09-2008 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by dd74 (Post 4350135)
I'd buy a V10 Touareg...maybe. But honestly, it looks like as much can fit in a Fit as a Touareg.

Actually a Tourag has 71cuft of cargo space and a Fit has 41cuft(rear seats down). But who's counting.

SmileWavy

dd74 12-09-2008 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by lendaddy (Post 4350233)
Actually a Tourag has 71cuft of cargo space and a Fit has 41cuft(rear seats down). But who's counting.

SmileWavy
You are, obviously.

30 cubic feet? What's that hold? A case of diet Coke?

Here's some real math: How many Fits fit in the cost of one V10 Touareg?

lendaddy 12-09-2008 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by dd74 (Post 4350289)
You are, obviously.

30 cubic feet? What's that hold? A case of diet Coke?
Could be, considering a Fit only holds 21cuft with the seats up I hope you're not a big soda drinker :D

onewhippedpuppy 12-09-2008 12:08 PM
You wanna talk MPG and cubic feet? Swallow your pride and buy a minivan. Car MPG, more room inside than an SUV. If you have a family, there is no better vehicle on earth.

lendaddy 12-09-2008 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 4350299)
You wanna talk MPG and cubic feet? Swallow your pride and buy a minivan. Car MPG, more room inside than an SUV. If you have a family, there is no better vehicle on earth.

I didn't bring storage space up, just clarifying an inaccurate statement.

onewhippedpuppy 12-09-2008 12:12 PM
No worries. I'd be willing to bet that the maintenance costs on a Toureq would more than cover the payments for a new Fit. From what I hear, they make a Jetta look reliable.

slodave 12-09-2008 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by carnutzzz (Post 4349744)
Some of you people need to lighten up- sheesh. Economy cars suck- period. You can't haul friends and your dog in one up to the mountains. You can't tow a trailer or a boat, or bring home new furniture....
....
I see a lot of generalizations about SUV drivers- why aren't you guys complaining about black people? When I go into town I see them driving 76 Chevys with 24 inch wheels- what kind of fuel economy are they getting? They never upgrade the brakes either so you know they can't stop. Imagine the pollution too! :rolleyes:

You don't complain and stereotype because you aren't jealous of them....
Most people in L.A. don't go up to the mountains. Granted you can tell which has a big family by those stupid family stickers you see in the back window, but most around here are driven by soccer moms that wouldn't know how to put the SUV into 4 wheel drive (assuming it's a 4X model).

In L.A., lack people don't drive 76 Chevys with 24" rims, they drive gigantic SUV's, some that have enormous rims, most are just normal sized 'bling' rims. Same with Mexicans, Asians.. Well, a lot of Asians are into the ricer thing.

I'm not jealous. If I needed an SUV or truck, I'd buy one.


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