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cel 01-14-2009 02:50 PM
Amen to Kevin

cel 01-14-2009 02:53 PM
Gangs
 
It is going to get worse, I heard today that our military is predicting the total collapse of Mexico, much like what has happened in Columbia.

ruf-porsche 01-14-2009 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by cel (Post 4417874)
My son went to high school during the 70's and at that time many of the students had gun racks in the back of their trucks with one or more guns in them. Not one shooting or the threat of shooting, disagreements would be settled with fists and no lawyers involved. If guns would be outlawed only criminals would have guns.
My one question to all of you in countries where there are "no guns allowed". What are you going to do when the Muslims take over your country and your army and police force can't stop them. This time is coming all you have to do is listen to what they say. I agree there are probably some Muslims that don't go along with this but they are not the ones running the show.
Did the Muslims invade the United States or did the United States invade a Muslim's Country?


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Originally Posted by KaptKaos (Post 4417331)
Specifically inner city kids.
Who are the inner city kids? If you live in Chicago the inner city is pretty much middle class and upper class, ask Da Mayor.

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Originally Posted by cel (Post 4417893)
It is going to get worse, I heard today that our military is predicting the total collapse of Mexico, much like what has happened in Columbia.
Is this the same group of people who said Iraq had WMD and didn't have any ideas of the upcoming 911 attacks?

strupgolf 01-14-2009 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by jim bremner (Post 4417110)
hmm,

drugs

porous boarder

lack of fathers in the home

teachers who don't give a rats azz

a school system that doesn't work well for everyone

lack of faith, not only in god but their future.

Missing work ethic

commercialism

glorification of the gangster life

too many rats in the cage

genetic predisposition (the one that i'll get flamed the hardest on )

and the standard pussification of america - cops can't give hickory shampoos to the people that need it.
+1000

KaptKaos 01-14-2009 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ruf-porsche (Post 4417924)
Who are the inner city kids? If you live in Chicago the inner city is pretty much middle class and upper class, ask Da Mayor.
Don't be cute. It's generally not the affluent kids that need the protection of a gang.

cel 01-14-2009 03:36 PM
Muslims
 
They killed 3000 of our citizens when they destroyed the World Trade Center buildings. I guess you don't call 20 tons of yellow cake uranium suitable for making "dirty bombs" a MWD. I realize the propaganda machine you call Journalists didn't call it that but that doesn't make it so.

Hugh R 01-14-2009 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ruf-porsche (Post 4417268)
You didn't watch "The Planet of Apes" movie.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1231976313.jpg


SmileWavy

ruf-porsche 01-14-2009 03:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh R (Post 4417994)
The original Planet of the Apes with Charleston Heston not Mark Walburn.

ruf-porsche 01-14-2009 03:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KaptKaos (Post 4417981)
Don't be cute. It's generally not the affluent kids that need the protection of a gang.
But my wife always call me cute.

Hugh R 01-14-2009 03:43 PM
Oh, .......never mind!

Markie, Mark is/was a racist POS.

Rikao4 01-14-2009 03:45 PM
well at the minimum..
the gang should whack the shooter..
look he's a bad shoot, bring's the man , and just maybe one/some of these roaches care about something.
nah...

Rika

m21sniper 01-14-2009 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 4417548)
waaaahhh people are killing each other. How is that new?

I've read back in history as far as I can, say about 6000 years and guess what? People were killing each other then too. Nothing has changed. nothing. We (us human types) are violent, murderous animals. we kill. The only thing that can change that would be a whole bunch of nukes or one really, really big asteroid (or 2012 if you ask the tin foil types).

Expecting people to stop being violent and to stop killing each other is about as realistic as expecting people to stop being people.
Some people are more likely to kill than others, but the killing ain't gonna stop as long as we parasitic monsters roam the earth.

The best we can do is to try and make the people who have a stronger tendency to kill stay away. As in close the borders, kick out all the immigrant gang members, and throw the rest in jail.
That aint gonna happen either because it might upset some lefty.
Agreed Sammy.

After the machines kill us all we will have no more problems with murder and gangs.

Quote:
Originally Posted by cel (Post 4417893)
It is going to get worse, I heard today that our military is predicting the total collapse of Mexico, much like what has happened in Columbia.
Oh yeah, that will unleash a big can of mayhem.

ramonesfreak 01-14-2009 04:38 PM
legalize drugs. plain and simple. stupidazz american bullcrap. nothing more nothing less will stop this problem of drug money fueled warfare

does the government care? no. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

politicians, blow me

ramonesfreak 01-14-2009 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by KevinP73 (Post 4417866)
This country is so far beyond having an effective gun control program that it's not funny. I'm talking about removing (not just putting it in a prison) the cancer that is feeding off of and killing what little good can be found in this society.
A gun in the hands of a bad man is a bad thing. Any gun in the hands of a good man is no threat to anyone, except bad people.

Charlton Heston

the "cancer", that which makes these men killers "bad" is not guns. It is ILLEGAL (valuable) DRUGS. Heroin. Crack. Coke.

TAKE THE VALUE AWAY. TAKE THE CANCER AWAY

Let the addicts die and let the innocent avoid stray bullets

ramonesfreak 01-14-2009 04:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 4417548)
waaaahhh people are killing each other. How is that new?

I've read back in history as far as I can, say about 6000 years and guess what? People were killing each other then too. Nothing has changed. nothing. We (us human types) are violent, murderous animals. we kill. The only thing that can change that would be a whole bunch of nukes or one really, really big asteroid (or 2012 if you ask the tin foil types).

Expecting people to stop being violent and to stop killing each other is about as realistic as expecting people to stop being people.
Some people are more likely to kill than others, but the killing ain't gonna stop as long as we parasitic monsters roam the earth.

The best we can do is to try and make the people who have a stronger tendency to kill stay away. As in close the borders, kick out all the immigrant gang members, and throw the rest in jail.
That aint gonna happen either because it might upset some lefty.
what utter BULL. get an education.
the vast majority of immigrants are law abiding people. hard working. whether they have a right to be here is another issue all together.

getting killers to stop killing is as easy as taking away their merchandise, DRUGS. but that aint gonna happen either because it might upset some tight azz righty who is afraid of reefer madness

pwd72s 01-14-2009 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim Bremner (Post 4417110)
hmm,

drugs

porous boarder

lack of FATHERS in the home

Teachers who don't give a rats azz

A school system that doesn't work well for everyone

Lack of Faith, not only in GOD but their future.

Missing work ethic

Commercialism

Glorification of the gangster life

Too many rats in the cage

Genetic predisposition (the one that I'll get flamed the hardest on )

And the standard pussification of America - cops can't give hickory shampoos to the people that need it.
That about covers it...well said.

ramonesfreak 01-14-2009 05:06 PM
i hesitate greatly to advise anyone to turn to the television for an education but, it wouldnt hurt to watch The Wire...all of the seasons. in the case of this particular production, art imitates life with precision and a brutal honesty that is not only extremely entertaining, but shockingly educational and frightening

dhoward 01-14-2009 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Hugh R (Post 4417994)
Cool. You probably have a bunch of location/cast pictures uploaded somewhere, don't you?

kycarguy 935 01-14-2009 05:38 PM
The shooter should be happy he wasn't this 4 year old's babysitter:

http://www.parentdish.com/2009/01/06/babysitter-shot-by-angry-4-year-old/

m21sniper 01-14-2009 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by srandallf (Post 4418172)
what utter BULL. get an education.
the vast majority of immigrants are law abiding people. hard working. whether they have a right to be here is another issue all together.

getting killers to stop killing is as easy as taking away their merchandise, DRUGS. but that aint gonna happen either because it might upset some tight azz righty who is afraid of reefer madness
That aint gonna happen cause the LEO industry would lose BILLIONS of dollars and thousands (perhaps tens of thousands) of cops and beaurocrats would lose their jobs.

As sick and perverted as it is, it's those that 'protect us' who gain the most from this whole damn disaster of a "war on drugs".

Tobra 01-14-2009 10:45 PM
Nice orange jumpsuit there Hugh
Quote:
Originally Posted by dhoward (Post 4417824)
What?
These guys can't lawfully own a firearm anyway. So they would drop 10 or 15 rocks worth of money to join a gun club?
ding ding, winner!

How much did gun crime go up in Oz when they took away the guns people lawfully owned?

by the way ruf, nice group of straw men you have put together:rolleyes:

livi 01-15-2009 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by cmccuist (Post 4417410)
REgardless of gun laws, I believe it's culture rather than access to guns that is more responsible for shooting deaths. There are certainly accidents with firearms, but the overwhelming number of firearm homicides are due to behavior and culture rather than access to guns and/or lack of gun laws (Example - Washington DC!)
I believe you are right to a large extent. There are always ways of hurting people, even with a strict gun law. I still think part of it is due to access. Same with drugs. If cocaine was an over the counter drug with a cheap price, I believe more people would use it. Generally speaking.

But culture, tradition, socio-economic factors and such have a tremendous impact.

ramonesfreak 01-15-2009 05:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by m21sniper (Post 4418517)
That aint gonna happen cause the LEO industry would lose BILLIONS of dollars and thousands (perhaps tens of thousands) of cops and beaurocrats would lose their jobs.

As sick and perverted as it is, it's those that 'protect us' who gain the most from this whole damn disaster of a "war on drugs".
i know. this is the problem. drugs aint gonna be legal in this country, at least not the valuable ones like heroin, and the demand for heroin is never gonna go down...so, it is what it is. this epidemic in this country is here to stay

Porsche-O-Phile 01-15-2009 07:49 AM
Thank you Ronald Reagan and the "moral majority" of the 1980s for putting us on this idiotic, socialist law-enforcement pseudo-moralistic crusade.

The government doesn't dare back off their "war on drugs" stance now lest they give the appearance of backpedaling or admit being wrong before. Those are evidently worse sins than continuing to p1ss away untold billions of taxpayer money every year.

scottmandue 01-15-2009 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by ruf-porsche (Post 4417190)
Monkeys don't go around killing other monkeys for no good reason, in that respect monkeys are better than us.
Actually if you watch Jane Goodall's documentary's (yes I know technical she doesn't study monkeys)

Primates in the jungle DO kill each other for no good reason.

And if we want to stop the gang problem we have to stop punishing the police for succeeding at controlling the problem. The police create a gang unit, they crack down on the gangs, the problem starts to go away, so they cut funding and shut down the gang task-force.

azasadny 01-16-2009 04:21 AM
Death penalty would be a good start...

onewhippedpuppy 01-16-2009 06:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Bremner (Post 4417110)
hmm,

drugs

porous boarder

lack of FATHERS in the home

Teachers who don't give a rats azz

A school system that doesn't work well for everyone

Lack of Faith, not only in GOD but their future.

Missing work ethic

Commercialism

Glorification of the gangster life

Too many rats in the cage

Genetic predisposition (the one that I'll get flamed the hardest on )

And the standard pussification of America - cops can't give hickory shampoos to the people that need it.
The 2nd post provided the best answer.

Hugh, you look great in orange.:cool:

KevinP73 01-16-2009 08:29 AM
Man Arrested In Shooting Death Of 4-Year-Old Boy
The Los Angeles Police Department has arrested a suspect in the murder of a 4-year-old boy who died in the crossfire of an apparent gang-related shooting.
Police announced Friday that officers had arrested 25-five-year-old Howard Astorga, a felon who previously has served prison time for narcotics, gun and other offenses.
Roberto Lopez Jr. was shot Tuesday near his home in the Echo Park neighborhood west of downtown.
Several shots were fired from about 100 yards away and the boy died after being hit once in the upper torso.
Police say occupants of a car were involved in a confrontation with people standing on the street.
The bullet that hit Roberto likely was intended for someone in the car

look 171 01-16-2009 12:34 PM
That ***** in Mexico is coming this way and its coming fast. our border is not gonna be able to stop it. The agent wil be haul off to jail and the bad guy will go free then we will whine about it.


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