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pwd72s 01-17-2009 11:26 AM

Brits who want their guns back
 
http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE

A segment you'll never see on our network news...

pwd72s 01-17-2009 11:31 AM

Damn..I goofed again. I really meant to post this on the politics board. Moderator, please move.

m21sniper 01-17-2009 12:48 PM

Good luck with that guys. :-/

pwd72s 01-17-2009 03:25 PM

Kind of sad, isn't it? Those who say it can't happen here are kidding themselves.

stevepaa 01-17-2009 03:46 PM

what are you bemoaning exactly?

do you seriously want to contend that the banning of guns had anything to do with the rise of gun use in crimes?

pwd72s 01-17-2009 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevepaa (Post 4424343)
what are you bemoaning exactly?

do you seriously want to contend that the banning of guns had anything to do with the rise of gun use in crimes?

The stats are there...when a nation is disarmed, the "hot burglary" rate goes up. Burglaries where the perps don't care if people are home or not, because the perps have weapons, while knowing their victims are unarmed.

legion 01-17-2009 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevepaa (Post 4424343)
what are you bemoaning exactly?

do you seriously want to contend that the banning of guns had anything to do with the rise of gun use in crimes?

It does.

Do you seriously want to contend that the banning of guns does not have anything to do with the rise of gun use in crimes?

Criminals generally go for the "easy score". If they know everyone else is unarmed, suddenly the whole population has become just that.

m21sniper 01-17-2009 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevepaa (Post 4424343)
what are you bemoaning exactly?

do you seriously want to contend that the banning of guns had anything to do with the rise of gun use in crimes?

Do you seriously want to contend that gun control in any way lowers crime?

Milu 01-18-2009 01:23 AM

The clip is not very recent but still true today.

I think Tony Martin has now been out of jail for sometime (2003) and his sentence was reduced by the furore it caused at the time.

I left the UK at the time of the pistol ban. I don't see pistol ownership ever being restored in the UK.

Jim Bremner 01-18-2009 09:26 AM

a gun grabber cop that I know told me that AZ is a very safe state due to all of the people that are armed....but he feels that you and I in California do not have the RIGHT TO SELF DEFENSE. "It's law enforcements job to protect yoy"

m21sniper 01-18-2009 10:24 AM

SCOTUS has decreed that law enforcement has no obligation to protect individual citizens, just 'society at large'.

So next time you see the cop, you can tell him that according to the Supreme court, it's YOUR job to defend yourself...not his.

Tobra 01-18-2009 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevepaa (Post 4424343)
what are you bemoaning exactly?

do you seriously want to contend that the banning of guns had anything to do with the rise of gun use in crimes?

that is precisely what happened in Australia

Eric 951 01-19-2009 06:54 AM

If anti-gunners are so vocal about their stance --why not post a "no guns in this home" sign in your front lawn?

Jim Richards 01-19-2009 07:00 AM

yeah, criminals would respect their principled stance against guns. hehehehe.

carnutzzz 01-19-2009 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m21sniper (Post 4425550)
SCOTUS has decreed that law enforcement has no obligation to protect individual citizens, just 'society at large'.

So next time you see the cop, you can tell him that according to the Supreme court, it's YOUR job to defend yourself...not his.


Can you provide the sourceof this statement?

targa911S 01-19-2009 09:13 AM

That clip is old and really deals with fox hunting which was outlawed a while ago. The Brits have chosen to ignore the law now.

Aerkuld 01-19-2009 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by carnutzzz (Post 4427336)
Can you provide the sourceof this statement?


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/28scotus.html

RANDY P 01-19-2009 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Bremner (Post 4425412)
a gun grabber cop that I know told me that AZ is a very safe state due to all of the people that are armed....but he feels that you and I in California do not have the RIGHT TO SELF DEFENSE. "It's law enforcements job to protect yoy"

Boy, I'd love to pay someone $50K yearly to shot at in my behalf.

That cop is a liar...

rjp

m21sniper 01-20-2009 02:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carnutzzz (Post 4427336)
Can you provide the sourceof this statement?

http://www.google.com/search?q=police+have+no+obligation+to+protect+indi viduals&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

Warren v. District of Columbia is one of the leading cases of this type. Two women were upstairs in a townhouse when they heard their roommate, a third woman, being attacked downstairs by intruders. They phoned the police several times and were assured that officers were on the way. After about 30 minutes, when their roommate's screams had stopped, they assumed the police had finally arrived. When the two women went downstairs they saw that in fact the police never came, but the intruders were still there. As the Warren court graphically states in the opinion: "For the next fourteen hours the women were held captive, raped, robbed, beaten, forced to commit sexual acts upon each other, and made to submit to the sexual demands of their attackers."

THE POLICE NEVER CAME.

The three women sued the District of Columbia for failing to protect them, but D.C.'s highest court exonerated the District and its police, saying that it is a "fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen." [4] There are many similar cases with results to the same effect. [5]

See the plethora of links above.

Joeaksa 01-20-2009 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Bremner (Post 4425412)
a gun grabber cop that I know told me that AZ is a very safe state due to all of the people that are armed....but he feels that you and I in California do not have the RIGHT TO SELF DEFENSE. "It's law enforcements job to protect yoy"

Come on over and give it a try! At first its interesting to see people walking around with a gun on their hip, but its not that unusual over here.

Criminals know that a lot of the public are armed and ready to defend themselves and their neighbours.

Joe A


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