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m21sniper 01-29-2009 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jyl (Post 4452547)
So, I am now quite convinced that no alien civilization is watching "I Love Lucy". It seems pretty clear to me that if we want to be found, we will have to try very, very, very hard to be found. Otherwise we will live, love, and die alone. As a species, that is.

Dey could be cruising by in derr spaceships and pick it up on da long range scannerz man. If alienz is anything like us, dey love road trips.

Then they could laugh in amusement as they vaporized our planet. :D

slakjaw 01-30-2009 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by RWebb (Post 4452595)
- our "tools" aren't exactly expanding...

"tersesial" is how unintelligent life posts about intelligent life....

What... you have never drunk posted???

:D

DARISC 01-30-2009 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by RWebb (Post 4452584)
Friction????

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Originally Posted by RWebb (Post 4452595)
- our "tools" aren't exactly expanding...

Friction can't be totally discounted when considering the expansion of our tools.

At any rate, the rate of expansion of the universe is increasing with age, which I've read has to do with dark matter.

The rate of expansion of our tools decreases with age and increased friction can only temporarily keep them up and effective.......and that is a dark matter.

Pazuzu 01-30-2009 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DARISC (Post 4453703)
At any rate, the rate of expansion of the universe is increasing with age, which I've read has to do with dark matter.

Dark ENERGY. Dark Energy is increasing the expansion of the Universe, Dark Matter would decreasing the expansion. They're two very different things (one is asteroids and dust and bacteria, while the other is anti-gravity).

exc911ence 01-30-2009 09:35 AM

If Star Trek has taught me anything, it's that alien chicks are horny and like to make it with Earth dudes... I think it was Shatner's Third Law. I say, bring 'em on! :D

DARISC 01-30-2009 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Pazuzu (Post 4453711)
Dark ENERGY. Dark Energy is increasing the expansion of the Universe, Dark Matter would decreasing the expansion. They're two very different things (one is asteroids and dust and bacteria, while the other is anti-gravity).

Oosp! That was a typo (I often get subliminally distracted by the gravitas of dark matter).

But I think you'll agree that, regarding our tools, decreasing energy is directly related to their slowing rate of expansion, even in the face of increased friction - a dark matter.

Pazuzu 01-30-2009 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by DARISC (Post 4453778)
But I think you'll agree that, regarding our tools, decreasing energy is directly related to their slowing rate of expansion, even in the face of increased friction - a dark matter.

I'm a scientist. We don't think of such things.

DARISC 01-30-2009 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by exc911ence (Post 4453768)
If Star Trek has taught me anything, it's that alien chicks are horny....

I used to think that, but like I said, I remember nothing about my abductions, but, since the first one, for some reason I think of them as thorny, not horny - not good.

DARISC 01-30-2009 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Pazuzu (Post 4453780)
I'm a scientist. We don't think of such things.

Oh, I'll bet that older scientists do! :)

m21sniper 01-30-2009 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Pazuzu (Post 4453711)
We think dark Energy is increasing the expansion of the Universe, Dark Matter would decrease the expansion.

Fixed.

DARISC 01-30-2009 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by m21sniper (Post 4453819)
Fixed by science skeptic unaccepting and/or not understanding that much of science is based on using theories as tools for actually trying to logically reason things out.

Fixed.

tabs 01-30-2009 11:30 AM

If man had to wait for science then we would still be experimenting with fire.

Jim Richards 01-30-2009 11:33 AM

your rug's on fire, tabby

tabs 01-30-2009 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim Richards (Post 4454110)
your rug's on fire, tabby

Well then just don't stand there with your finger up your a$$ grab a bucket of water and put the dam thing out...unless of course you are too ahhhh mentaly challenged to asccomplish a simple task as that...


See I am now being PC because Obama has come to save us all...it not that I am down on the Bama.its all the people who have those calf eyes that bother me..

It like the what the aliens do they mesmerize you....hey did anybody ever think Bama might be an alien..that would put new menaing into seeing his Birth certificate now wouldn't it.

Jim Richards 01-30-2009 11:57 AM

snow tires & tabs' anal probing

what a combination. :D

DARISC 01-30-2009 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tabs (Post 4454141)
...It like the what the aliens do they mesmerize you....hey did anybody ever think Bama might be an alien..that would put new menaing into seeing his Birth certificate now wouldn't it.

An them alien are blow sand up youre cratch irritating...its like they alway menaing...take periods spelling ability away, HUH? you ask? Dont start me with alien Birth certificate yet too! Obama HA!! You stupid will see it coming!

You just wate and see!

tabs 01-30-2009 12:58 PM

You get disconcerted with my lack of grammar, spelling and punctuation...Ha..I CAN NOT EVEN READ MY OWN HANDWRITING....you think Md's write fast and illegibly....

My poor little fingers can not keep up with the speed of my thought process. If I can not get it down on the first pass, it gets lost...almost all of the things I write are first draft, with virtually no editing. & I know you can tell....

DARISC 01-30-2009 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by tabs (Post 4454315)
You get disconcerted with my lack of grammar, spelling and punctuation...Ha..I CAN NOT EVEN READ MY OWN HANDWRITING....you think Md's write fast and illegibly....

My poor little fingers can not keep up with the speed of my thought process. If I can not get it down on the first pass, it gets lost...almost all of the things I write are first draft, with virtually no editing. & I know you can tell....

HAHAHA! I'm picturing your poor little fingers bumbling along trying to keep up with your warped (speed, that is :)) mind. You never disconcert me Tabs; that would be no fun at all! :D You're gust a grouchy ole conservative, wallowing in defeat. :D

Yup, I can tell almost all your things are first drafts. I also suspect that mebbe more than a few beer draughts precede some of your first drafts. :)

I'm a bit old fashioned. Mother taught me that people's judgment of the quality of what one says may be colored by the care one takes when saying it. Mebbe try some of that binko bluwatza or whatever they call it to help keep you from getting lost while getting lost in your thoughts?

And you COULD avale yourself of the spel chekker! SmileWavy

jyl 01-30-2009 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by m21sniper (Post 4453015)
Dey could be cruising by in derr spaceships and pick it up on da long range scannerz man. If alienz is anything like us, dey love road trips.

Then they could laugh in amusement as they vaporized our planet. :D

Could be, but with 10^21 stars in the universe, its only a one in a 10,000 million million million chance they happen by our neck of the woods . . .

DARISC 01-30-2009 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jyl (Post 4454513)
...a one in a 10,000 million million million chance they happen by our neck of the woods . . .

And that is EXACTLY what keeps me awake at night!

Jim Richards 01-30-2009 02:25 PM

This is Radiotabs, broadcasting to you from our Vogon Constructor Vessel, err...trailerpark compound...

http://www.generalrobots.de/images/p...ages/146_0.jpg

tabs 01-30-2009 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Richards (Post 4454530)
This is Radiotabs, broadcasting to you from our Vogon Constructor Vessel, err...trailerpark compound...

http://www.generalrobots.de/images/p...ages/146_0.jpg

WHERE DID YOU GET THAT PICTURE FROM....MOTHER did she give it to you....that is how I appear on my home planet.

tabs 01-30-2009 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DARISC (Post 4454503)

I'm a bit old fashioned. Mother taught me that people's judgment of the quality of what one says may be colored by the care one takes when saying it.

However if you have talent there is quality in spontaneity...just take a look at Van Gogh or Picasso's work. So it ain't necessarily so that quality is reflected by the "care" one gives in the presentation of line. It is the idea and imagination behind it.

m21sniper 01-30-2009 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jyl (Post 4454513)
Could be, but with 10^21 stars in the universe, its only a one in a 10,000 million million million chance they happen by our neck of the woods . . .

We could be situated on the periphery of a major interstellar trade route, we don't know. We're ignant. :D

Aliens may stop on Earth to take a dump all the time.

slakjaw 01-30-2009 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by m21sniper (Post 4454629)
Aliens may stop on Earth to take a dump all the time.

its too expensive to **** here. There was another post about how much it actually costs to crap in CA.

DARISC 01-30-2009 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by tabs (Post 4454609)
However if you have talent there is quality in spontaneity...just take a look at Van Gogh or Picasso's work. So it ain't necessarily so that quality is reflected by the "care" one gives in the presentation of line. It is the idea and imagination behind it.

Ooooh my! I do believe that you may be mixing together impatience/lack of attention to detail with adroitness/spontaneity!

While both of those painters worked with great alacrity (Van Gogh sometimes at a fevered pitch, by historical accounts) NONE of their work exhibits even a hint of uncertainty or carelessness, though roughness and apparent speed of execution might lead an uninformed viewer to think that it does.

Their genius lies partially in the fact that they could express themselves with such clarity and power, often, especially in the case of Picasso, with an extraordinary economy of means.

Show me litererary examples written by acclaimed writers that you compare to off-handed first drafts such as we post here and I'll be open to enlightenment.

Incidentally (not authoritatively), I know a little bit about that of which I speak, being a painter myself. And, brer Tabs, I'd never consider comparing my posts (which are also ALL first drafts) using examples of geniuses as an analogy! :D

RWebb 01-30-2009 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by exc911ence (Post 4453768)
If Star Trek has taught me anything, it's that alien chicks are horny and like to make it with Earth dudes... I think it was Shatner's Third Law. I say, bring 'em on! :D

Nominee for best post on this thread.

tabs 01-31-2009 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DARISC (Post 4454672)
Ooooh my! I do believe that you may be mixing together impatience/lack of attention to detail with adroitness/spontaneity!

While both of those painters worked with great alacrity (Van Gogh sometimes at a fevered pitch, by historical accounts) NONE of their work exhibits even a hint of uncertainty or carelessness, though roughness and apparent speed of execution might lead an uninformed viewer to think that it does.

Their genius lies partially in the fact that they could express themselves with such clarity and power, often, especially in the case of Picasso, with an extraordinary economy of means.

Show me litererary examples written by acclaimed writers that you compare to off-handed first drafts such as we post here and I'll be open to enlightenment.

Incidentally (not authoritatively), I know a little bit about that of which I speak, being a painter myself. And, brer Tabs, I'd never consider comparing my posts (which are also ALL first drafts) using examples of geniuses as an analogy! :D

I have seen Van Gogh's work up close and he did have a frenetic style that seemed that he wanted to get it on canvas before he lost the vision of what he wanted to accomplish.

I don't care about a perfectly concise presentation, what I care about is the presentation of complex or abstract ideas in a coherent fashion. It is the idea that makes or brakes and not the sloppiness of the presentation.

There is a cetain superficiality to those that get hung up on the cleanness of presentation. In other words one has to look beyond the presentation and onto the idea that is expressed. The words are important and not whether they are spelled correctly.

Jim Richards 01-31-2009 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by tabs (Post 4455497)
The words are important and not whether they are spelled correctly.

Klaatu barada niktu (sp)

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scottmandue 01-31-2009 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by slakjaw (Post 4454634)
its too expensive to **** here. There was another post about how much it actually costs to crap in CA.

Oh doo tell!

With recent pay cuts I'm looking to make some money with a side job.

DARISC 01-31-2009 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by tabs (Post 4455497)
I have seen Van Gogh's work up close and he did have a frenetic style that seemed that he wanted to get it on canvas before he lost the vision of what he wanted to accomplish.

I've also seen, a lot, of Van Gogh's work up close; in NYC, LA, The Van Gogh Museum in Amsterdam and a number of other places in Europe. While some of Van Gogh’s work is described as appearing frenzied by some, he painted with intense deliberateness which was definitely not uncontrolled (and certainly not sloppy). Nor were his visions fleeting, which is evident when looking at the body of his work, which is clearly not the manifestation of fleeting visions, but rather the evolution of a singular vision that is unique to the artist and defines his genius.

I don't care about a perfectly concise presentation, what I care about is the presentation of complex or abstract ideas in a coherent fashion. It is the idea that makes or brakes and not the sloppiness of the presentation.

Whether you care about it or not, concision is important when trying to present complex or abstract ideas coherently. Whether the idea “makes or breaks” is only obfuscated by sloppiness in its presentation.

There is a cetain superficiality to those that get hung up on the cleanness of presentation. In other words one has to look beyond the presentation and onto the idea that is expressed. The words are important and not whether they are spelled correctly.

There is a certain superficiality to those that get hung up affectation when making a presentation. In other words, if one has to look beyond a sloppy presentation to get to the idea that is expressed, the writer might be found to have sloppily formed ideas as well. The words are important (well, yeah!) and correct spelling is, uh…..nice?

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tabs 01-31-2009 12:08 PM

One can be frentic in style and still have control. Van Gogh worked very quickly to capture the essence of what he wanted to convey. Sometimes he would do 2 or 3 pictures a day, working quickly before the light failed. Van Gogh developed a unique style or way of painting that you call "singular vision" yet that has nothing to do with a paticular idea or image that he wanted to capture. Style remains a constant and a paticular composition or idea is singular and unique.Sometimes it needs to be captured quickly beofre it fades. There is a vast difference between the two.

DARISC 01-31-2009 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by tabs (Post 4456215)
One can be frentic in style and still have control. Van Gogh worked very quickly to capture the essence of what he wanted to convey. Sometimes he would do 2 or 3 pictures a day, working quickly before the light failed.

Yes, he often did. Portraits and other exceptions, e.g. "The Potato Eaters", had little to do with failing light as they were not completed, as so many of his works were, in a single session.

Van Gogh developed a unique style or way of painting that you call "singular vision" yet that has nothing to do with a paticular idea or image that he wanted to capture.

Yes, personal or unique would have been better choices than singular.

Style remains a constant and a paticular composition or idea is singular and unique.

Style most often evolves over time, as did Van Gogh's. And of course each of his paintings are unique. One could refer to another's painting as "in the style of an early Van Gogh" or "in the style of Picasso's Blue Period", no?

Sometimes it needs to be captured quickly beofre it fades.

"It" being the image? Yes, when fading light is the issue. But it seems apparent that he spent more time on portraits and other works than he perhaps did on "Starry Night". et al. But then, we really don't know: he was an incredibly tormented and facile painter. That he was often frenziedly caught up in the moment when he painted is true - often, but not necessarily always.

There is a vast difference between the two.

The difference between the use of the word "singular" and "style" in the context I used it strikes me as the basis for a semantics discussion. I tried to clarify, above, what I meant to say.

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tabs 01-31-2009 03:24 PM

A persons handwriting or brush strokes remain constant an idea or image sometimes needs to be put down quickly or it may get lost.

DARISC 01-31-2009 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by tabs (Post 4456568)
A persons handwriting or brush strokes remain constant an idea or image sometimes needs to be put down quickly or it may get lost.

4 paintings by 2 artists at different stages of their development. Constancy of brushstrokes are hardly definitive of their commonality. Perhaps a forensics lab...

Are you a painter?

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m21sniper 01-31-2009 05:46 PM

Tabs' nuclear missile shuttin' off Aliens on Larry King live:

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tabs 01-31-2009 07:13 PM

I don't paint but have a couple of pieces hanging around. I know the art conservator that does Butterfields, Morans, Abels, Sotherbys and most of the big Gallerys in LA's work. He never even looks at signatures and can tell an artists work by brush stroke.
Your brush stroke, composition and colour pallet are indivdual things..


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