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vash 02-07-2009 09:19 PM

if Bruce Lee had lived, would he have gotten more famous?
 
just watching "enter the dragon". fights are short, one hit, and the badguy drops, not like the recent drawn out fights. do you think his talents would have had any staying power?

cliff

Heel n Toe 02-07-2009 09:43 PM

Definitely... how could they not? He was amazing.

If he had lived, I bet he would've never agreed to do one of those craptastic martial arts movies where he'd be "wired" so he could do the impossible, either.

I hate those. Never saw Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon for that reason.

911Rob 02-07-2009 09:46 PM

WHO?

Just kidding, childhood hero.
Lots of boys got beaten up after watching his movies; ha, ha; oh well :eek:

I think he would've kept up, but it would've been el natural; who knows?

Pazuzu 02-07-2009 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Heel n Toe (Post 4471987)
Definitely... how could they not? He was amazing.

If he had lived, I bet he would've never agreed to do one of those craptastic martial arts movies where he'd be "wired" so he could do the impossible, either.

I hate those. Never saw Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon for that reason.

That is a classic style, not something born of modern movie making. Those cultures elevated the fighting monks to near godlike status, and legends have been told for centuries of fighters flying, slowing time, and knocking raindrops out of the sky. Those movies are actually more honest than anything Bruce Lee did.

Heel n Toe 02-07-2009 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Pazuzu (Post 4471992)
legends have been told for centuries of fighters flying, slowing time, and knocking raindrops out of the sky.

A legend is not necessarily factual.

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Originally Posted by Pazuzu (Post 4471992)
Those movies are actually more honest than anything Bruce Lee did.

I disagree. Lee never had to use wired harnesses, so in my book, he wins the honesty contest.

ikarcuaso 02-07-2009 10:10 PM

BL would have only further solidified his status as a cultural icon had he lived longer. Dude was a bad-ass.

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svandamme 02-07-2009 10:23 PM

There wouldn't have been any talk about how Chuck Norris roundhouse kicked the sun one day, causing it to spin around the earth with the day/night cycle as a result...

svandamme 02-07-2009 10:23 PM

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glewis80SC 02-07-2009 10:55 PM

For sure, is movies were great, he would still be a big star.....no way he would use cables!!!!

Sonic dB 02-07-2009 11:22 PM

Absolutely.... Bruce Lee had an odd combination of desire, drive, lintensity, looks and talent...

He was actually a bit ahead of his time... but would have been a huge action star in the 80s had he lived.

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kycarguy 935 02-07-2009 11:33 PM

I knew his cousin and sometimes stunt double Bruce Li and he would always have a neat Bruce Lee story.

Li was a customer of mine for years and when I first met him I thought he full of crap. The better I got to know him the more I realized he was for real.

I met him in Long Beach, Ca.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Li

rammstein 02-07-2009 11:43 PM

He'd have made a lot more really great movies, and probably advance martial arts a bit too.

m21sniper 02-08-2009 01:48 AM

Bruce Lee was a REAL badass too, not just some movie star. People used to actually come to the set to challenge him and he would always stop working to totally F their world up(usually with one blow). Supposedly he fought the stunt guys all the time too.

Jim Richards 02-08-2009 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by svandamme (Post 4472025)
There wouldn't have been any talk about how Chuck Norris roundhouse kicked the sun one day, causing it to spin around the earth with the day/night cycle as a result...

Yep. Chuck Norris would be Bruce Lee's beetch.

Aurel 02-08-2009 05:02 AM

He would have made a fine politician, just like Arnold...

svandamme 02-08-2009 05:24 AM

well, i would think BL would have brought more to the table then Aaahnold would have
and if i'm not mistaken, he was born with american citizenship, he could have been the first Azian US president !


Osama would have gotten his ass Jeet Kun Do'ed in no time

mattdavis11 02-08-2009 06:49 AM

Talk about an insignificant person in my life. I didn't even know he was dead.:eek:

vash 02-08-2009 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by mattdavis11 (Post 4472325)
Talk about an insignificant person in my life. I didn't even know he was dead.:eek:


then thanks for putting up a few minutes to post up...:cool:

i am personally fascinated by people that have perfected their craft. sad he, (and his kid) died young.

masraum 02-08-2009 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim Richards (Post 4472199)
Yep. Chuck Norris would be Bruce Lee's beetch.

Actually, Chuck was his beotch. BL killed CN in "Way of the Dragon".

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I took Tae Kwon Do when I was younger. The guy that taught me had been on a kickboxing team with Chuck Norris (before he was famous). He had pictures of them holding up huge trophies. He said that he had met Bruce Lee at some "after parties", and said that BL was really amazing.

TheMentat 02-08-2009 10:29 AM

I find the stuff that Jackie Chan does far more impressive (and entertaining). I have no doubt that Bruce Lee would kick his ass in real life, but as far as putting on a performance, Jackie Chan is much better.

masraum 02-08-2009 10:50 AM

Bruce Lee always seemed to come across as very cocky to me, but I love his movies and just recently got Enter the Dragon on Blu-Ray when it was on sale.

He was amazing. It's interesting to wonder what he'd have done had he been around longer.

masraum 02-08-2009 10:53 AM

Jackie Chan is amazing especially considering he's 54 and still doing the stuff that he's doing.

artplumber 02-08-2009 12:41 PM

Would Bruce Lee be more famous? Hard to say. Depends on what happened long term with his Vicodin and alcohol use. Oh wait....;)

OK that wasn't a great joke. And he was a great technical fighter.

RWebb 02-08-2009 01:06 PM

My teacher knew Bruce Lee - maybe in Hong Kong - not sure when. He will sometimes talk about what "Bruce wanted to do"... based mostly on that I think he might have trended back more into a traditional style. He seemed to be doing that somewhat with his Wing Chun teacher...

He was certainly an extraordinary individual. In movies, they usually speed up the action in camera to make the techniques seem faster. With Bruce, it was just the opposite -- he had them slow the action! He did this so you could see what he was doing on screen instead of just seeing a blur.

Bruce had a lot more involvement in his films than most realize. He was not just an actor or action figure, but exercised great control over all aspects of the film making. Enter the Dragon was revolutionary for its genre at the time -- and it also shows how he could have become the next James Bond.

Jackie Chan is interesting b/c he was NOT trained in martial arts. He came out of the Beijing Opera world. After, Bruce died a lot of people were trying to be the next Dragon. But nobody could really follow him - Jackie Chan didn't even try - he became the clown martial arts figure. That was very smart I think.

KFC911 02-08-2009 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by artplumber (Post 4472913)
Would Bruce Lee be more famous?.....

I'd venture not more famous (and that's not taking away anything from BL's skills). His death is part of what made him famous just like countless other "stars" who left us way too early imo...it's part of their mystic.

Oh Haha 02-08-2009 04:26 PM

Great point, KC.

I think some could say the same about James Dean. There's something to be said for remembering an actor/actress for the younger days instead of seeing them in the tabloids as they age.

I was not a Bruce Lee fan until the mid 80's when a friend MADE me watch "Enter the Dragon". I was hooked from then.

What a smart, focused, extremely disciplined guy.

svandamme 02-08-2009 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMentat (Post 4472658)
I have no doubt that Bruce Lee would kick his ass in real life

Jacky Chan DID kick his ass

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911pcars 02-08-2009 10:57 PM

Bruce Lee was ahead of his time, but Hollywood myopia and stereotyping would prevent him from furthering his career in the US. Case in point: Up for the role in the TV series, "Kung Fu", as Caine, the wandering character traveling the early west. Lee's talents and abilities would have been a perfect fit, but Hollywood producers felt a Chinese actor couldn't carry the show. Dumb ****s. Lee was disillusioned w/Hollywood thereafter.

Someone mentioned Lee's fight scenes were shot in slo-mo so audiences could see his lightning quick moves. With Carradine, they had to slow down the action so as not to see how amateurish his moves were in real time. A travesty in casting. They had the perfect actor in Lee in the role of a Chinese man. Instead, they hired a Caucasian with slanted eye makeup and minimal martial arts skill.

Not alone at the mercy of film producers, Lee also didn't see much profit from the hit movie, Enter the Dragon.

Not sure Lee would have risen much above the level of cult hero status unless someone had taken a big chance on him at the time. Even today, Hollywood remains somewhat fixed in stereotypes. Unfortunately, I think it'll take awhile before they're fully up to speed. Director, Ang Lee, has made the most impression thus far with his wide range of movies, but his are still small steps in casting minority characters in mainstream cinema.

Sherwood

artplumber 02-09-2009 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by 911pcars (Post 4473927)
..... Even today, Hollywood remains somewhat fixed in stereotypes. Unfortunately, I think it'll take awhile before they're fully up to speed. Director, Ang Lee, has made the most impression thus far with his wide range of movies, but his are still small steps in casting minority characters in mainstream cinema.

Sherwood

The sad truth, is that many folks don't know/or acknowledge this about Hollywood.

Schumi 02-09-2009 12:09 PM

I agree with those here that do not like the 'wire' style martial arts 'impossible' movies... Bruce's films were so excellent in that they were 'raw'.

If you want to see just good, plain old martial arts ass kicking, watch any of the movies with Tony Jaa in them.

This is a good example:

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The Gaijin 02-09-2009 12:15 PM

His son would have certainly become very famous and had a great career if he did not die young..

sammyg2 02-09-2009 02:24 PM

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if Bruce Lee had lived, would he have gotten more famous?
Trick question. He wouldn't have lived, Chuck Norris would have seen to that.

BTW, bruce lee was all hype. get it? He was an actor. It was all a big act. Just like professional wrestling. Same with the easter bunny. Oops, hope I didn't spoil that for ya.

911pcars 02-09-2009 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Schumi (Post 4475033)
I agree with those here that do not like the 'wire' style martial arts 'impossible' movies... Bruce's films were so excellent in that they were 'raw'.

If you want to see just good, plain old martial arts ass kicking, watch any of the movies with Tony Jaa in them.

This is a good example:

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the video was jumping a little, but I could see possibly one cut. Otherwise, it's one long take for 3:47. Excellent.

SammyG,
Feeling posiive today I see. I didn't know you were a Chuck Norris fanboy.

Sherwood

Sonic dB 02-09-2009 06:37 PM

The 1980s were perfect for a Bruce Lee type...big, bold, holding nothing back type action films.

If Sly and Arnold and Van Damme could make it in that perfectly suited environment...surely Bruce Lee would have been a big star on that stage too.

strupgolf 02-09-2009 07:16 PM

Bruce Lee and WWF wrestling are the same thing. Fake, Fake Fake. You can do so much with a camera.Come on guys, give me a break. A Chinese guy with a kick, wwwhhoooo, now thats scary.

911pcars 02-09-2009 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by strupgolf (Post 4475947)
Bruce Lee and WWF wrestling are the same thing. Fake, Fake Fake. You can do so much with a camera.Come on guys, give me a break. A Chinese guy with a kick, wwwhhoooo, now thats scary.

Correction. Bruce Lee movies and WWF wrestling are the same. It's entertainment, just different forms. I believe you knew that already.

But if you're saying you could have kicked B. Lee's or Hulk Hogan's a$$, that's something else. Are you claiming it was all special effects, camera angles and stunt doubles or just the requisite bad guy vs guy guy plot?

Is strupgolf really Jet Li?

Sherwood

artplumber 02-09-2009 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strupgolf (Post 4475947)
Bruce Lee and WWF wrestling are the same thing. Fake, Fake Fake. You can do so much with a camera.Come on guys, give me a break. A Chinese guy with a kick, wwwhhoooo, now thats scary.

Movies are fake. Lee never fought in tiered tournaments (although he did fight and box). He is widely acknowledged as being an excellent technical fighter, and ran his own school. Many came to learn from him ("no way as way"). Actually, he changed the kick from that typically used in Wu style.

carr914 02-19-2009 06:46 AM

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scottmandue 02-19-2009 07:03 AM

Yes he would have become more famous.

The beginning of his career was spent over coming ethnic stereotypes.

And of course the quality of film is much better today.

He only would have got better IMHO.


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