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austin552 02-10-2009 08:31 AM

Judges Order Up to 57,000 Calif. Prisoners Freed
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,490345,00.html

The zombies are coming!

Jim Bremner 02-10-2009 08:40 AM

I hope that their all illegal immigrants and we ship them home.

red-beard 02-10-2009 08:51 AM

Just keep them inside California. We had enough problems after NOLA and Katrina.

I do think we're better armed now, through...

legion 02-10-2009 08:51 AM

Learn to swim.

Things are going to get a lot worse with those people out on the streets and the state's propensity to blame the victim and disarm law-abiding citizens.

jyl 02-10-2009 09:06 AM

would be interesting to know why they are there.

Three strikes put a lot of people behind bars for much longer than their behaviour may have justified.

Danimal16 02-10-2009 09:08 AM

Great, this is all we need.

Jim Bremner 02-10-2009 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by jyl (Post 4476825)
would be interesting to know why they are there.

Three strikes put a lot of people behind bars for much longer than their behaviour may have justified.


WTF? they get busted once, how many crimes did they do prior? they get busted twice, how many crimes did they do prior. NOW, if they where smart they'll move out of state prior to getting busted a third time! but no they commit a third crime that they get busted for.

We need this law to keep our streets safer.

speeder 02-10-2009 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim Bremner (Post 4476770)
I hope that their all illegal immigrants and we ship them home.

That would actually be smart unless they're murderers. Illegals in state prison are turned over to ICE on release now, deport them and build that fking wall. Still think all we need to do is penalise employers, Todd? :rolleyes:

If we can keep them out, it saves us a fortune and frees-up prison space that we desperately need in CA.+ makes prison safer for guards and non-violent inmates. Plus keeps them from breeding ass holes in the U.S. :cool:

m21sniper 02-10-2009 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jyl (Post 4476825)
would be interesting to know why they are there.

Three strikes put a lot of people behind bars for much longer than their behaviour may have justified.

Actually, i would state the opposite. 3 strikes has put them exactly where they belong.

3 felony convictions is not bad luck amigo. It's bad character.

speeder 02-10-2009 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by m21sniper (Post 4476863)
Actually, i would state the opposite. 3 strikes has put them exactly where they belong.

3 felony convictions is not bad luck amigo. It's bad character.

The last one does not have to be a felony, amigo. That's the problem. Spending millions of dollars to house/feed/medical some fking shoplifter is just stupid.

m21sniper 02-10-2009 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by speeder (Post 4476872)
The last one does not have to be a felony, amigo. That's the problem. Spending millions of dollars to house/feed/medical some fking shoplifter is just stupid.

I thought it was 3 felonies.

If the third strike can be a misdemeanor(which i did not think was the case), then yeah, i'd be opposed to that too. However, 2 felony convictions in and of them self should result in serious, serious jail time IMO.

Jim Bremner 02-10-2009 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by speeder (Post 4476872)
The last one does not have to be a felony, amigo. That's the problem. Spending millions of dollars to house/feed/medical some fking shoplifter is just stupid.

I'm sure that we can save a few bucks...can he stay at your place?


I'm for chain gangs. we have illegal aliens picking our fruits and vegatables, somethings wrong with that.

We do not have enough forrest fire fightes, somethings wrong with that.

Think how clean our walls and streets would be if we un-ass the prison population to clean, garden, fight fires etc.

My son's elementry schools yard was only mowed once a month due to budget cuts. this is BS ! Convicts could mow on the weekends so that kids wouldn't have contact.

speeder 02-10-2009 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Bremner (Post 4476888)
I'm sure that we can save a few bucks...can he stay at your place?

No. And you can't either. :)

I'm all for locking-up criminals and even making them work but giving some loser 25 years of free housing @ $100k a year in tax $$ is stupid if they are not dangerous. Most are just drug-addict thieves.

Tervuren 02-10-2009 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Bremner (Post 4476842)
WTF? they get busted once, how many crimes did they do prior? they get busted twice, how many crimes did they do prior. NOW, if they where smart they'll move out of state prior to getting busted a third time! but no they commit a third crime that they get busted for.

We need this law to keep our streets safer.

Is it busted three times, or three felony's? A person could be charged for one crime that involved three felonies and its three strikes, correct? Is it three charges, or three separate cases leading to conviction?

Jim Bremner 02-10-2009 12:35 PM

three separate felony convictions after the other.

1. did the crime, got busted, got convicted, did the time. got out of prison.

2. did the crime, got busted, convicted, did the time, got out of prison the second time.

3rd. yada, yada yada. life in prison.

The Gaijin 02-10-2009 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by speeder (Post 4477025)

I'm all for locking-up criminals and even making them work but giving some loser 25 years of free housing @ $100k a year in tax $$ is stupid if they are not dangerous. Most are just drug-addict thieves.

I must disagree. Breaking into cars, breaking into houses, shoplifting and all the rest gnaw away at society and quality of life for the rest of us. We can afford to keep drug addicted thieves in prison and so we should.

Most junkies do more than $273 worth of damage to society every day. $100,000 a year is cheap.

Racerbvd 02-10-2009 01:49 PM

This is the answer, and could be the answer to Cali's economic problems.

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m21sniper 02-10-2009 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Bremner (Post 4477225)
three separate felony convictions after the other.

1. did the crime, got busted, got convicted, did the time. got out of prison.

2. did the crime, got busted, convicted, did the time, got out of prison the second time.

3rd. yada, yada yada. life in prison.

I think that is a great policy.

RWebb 02-10-2009 03:58 PM

IIRC, they can do one ACT and get 3 crimes put on them for that single thing.

I think the 3 felonies bit is in Oregon...

They can certainly fight fires (or clear brush so the fires are small and not dangerous). We have that in Oregon (including picking up trash along the hwy) - there are all sorts of things like that here, tho funding shortfalls have cut into the programs. The guy that answers the phone when you call the state for information is usually sitting in a prison somewhere in Oregon.

Rob Channell 02-10-2009 04:04 PM

California is a coastal state. Just escort them over the border to the West and tell them they get shot if they try to come back. Get PETA to help. After all, "fish are people, too."


I had a plan for limited prison size and no one seems interested. You just design your prison system for a fixed size population and that is all that get to stay there. Offenses are added up on a point system with the violent crimes getting progressively more points. When the population needs to be decreased due to overcrowding you just axe the guys with the highest point offense totals. Most likely you'll end up killing the repeat murderers, rapists, etc.

Come to think of it my plan would totally fix California's overcrowding problem while decreasing the cost to the taxpayers. Anyone got Arnold's phone number?


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