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m21sniper 03-13-2009 03:50 PM

Opposing piston engine
 
http://engineeringtv.com/blogs/etv/archive/2008/07/01/opposed-piston-opposed-cylinder-engine.aspx

Very cool. New type of piston engine.

Zeke 03-13-2009 04:02 PM

The CEO said 40% efficiency? Is that gonna work in the long run? The second chap said 3 HP per cu. foot? I hope he meant per cu in. ;)

TheMentat 03-13-2009 04:19 PM

gotta love the first question from the reporter after a rather technical description:

"sooo you have one cylinder for two pistons, right?"


:D

Jared at Pelican Parts 03-13-2009 05:03 PM

Junkers tried this with a 2 stroke diesel engine in the 40's

red-beard 03-13-2009 05:05 PM

My former company has 2 compressor designs which has horizontal opposed cylinders, to reduce the force couple. It used a 3 rod design, of which 2 were split. They were considering going to a 4 rod, double split design, so that more of the parts would be common.

The real savings is in the foundation for a compressor, since you don't have to deal with that force couple from the offset crank. It would also help in a car engine, with the reduction in weight of the block and in the less vibration transmitted to the frame. I'm not sure why they think the design would be 40% thermally efficient.

porsche4life 03-13-2009 05:07 PM

Looks like a cool idea if they can keep it funded and get it more maistream. Add some fins to that baby and make an aircooled Diesel!

cgarr 03-13-2009 05:16 PM

I still don't like engines whos parts have to stop and change directions.

Jeff Higgins 03-13-2009 05:29 PM

I believe Fairbanks-Morse had an opposed piston, two cycle diesel locomotive engine back in the '50's.

TimT 03-13-2009 05:34 PM

Quote:

I still don't like engines whos parts have to stop and change directions.
Really?

Like a two stroke or a four stoke engine where the pistons instantaneously change direction? The piston reaches apogee, then changes direction at some point the pistons motion did stop... even if for micro seconds..

Flywheels and multiple cylinders smooth things out..

TimT 03-13-2009 05:36 PM

Quote:

I believe Fairbanks-Morse had an opposed piston, two cycle diesel locomotive engine back in the '50's
I have seen that... I also seem to remember some tri engine with opposed pistons... may have been a marine app.. drawing a big crs blank now

RWebb 03-13-2009 06:07 PM

"extremely lightweight"

yes!

cgarr 03-13-2009 06:28 PM

This is the one I like::

http://www.animatedengines.com/img/gnome.gif

Mr.Puff 03-13-2009 07:36 PM

http://www.rotoblock.com/howitworks.shtml

ROTOBLOCK FTW!

m21sniper 03-13-2009 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milt (Post 4542184)
The CEO said 40% efficiency? Is that gonna work in the long run? The second chap said 3 HP per cu. foot? I hope he meant per cu in. ;)

Yeah, he meant per CID. :-P

Porsche-O-Phile 03-13-2009 08:12 PM

Internal combustion engine efficiency is WAY less than 40% today.

Pazuzu 03-14-2009 06:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cgarr (Post 4542285)
I still don't like engines whos parts have to stop and change directions.


The RX-7 fanbois call them "boingers".

For pure simplicity, adaptability, and power per pound, you don't get more better than a rotary turbo. Want more power? Add a rotor.

Or...go newfangled:
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/quasiturbine.htm

sammyg2 03-14-2009 07:03 AM

I wonder how they are going to deal with the unburned fuel and cylinder lube in the exhaust, which is why the 2 stroke died in the first place?

red-beard 03-14-2009 08:07 AM

HP per pound, it is hard to beat a turbine. Making a turbine work well in a car is another matter.

But then again, on a thurst per lb of weight basis, it's hard to beat a ram jet!

RWebb 03-14-2009 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 4543015)
I wonder how they are going to deal with the unburned fuel and cylinder lube in the exhaust, which is why the 2 stroke died in the first place?

yeh

I also wonder about those super long conn. rods on the outboard pistons...

well, we'll see what happens with it

afterburn 549 03-14-2009 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by red-beard (Post 4543116)
HP per pound, it is hard to beat a turbine. Making a turbine work well in a car is another matter.

But then again, on a thurst per lb of weight basis, it's hard to beat a ram jet!

Dodge tried in a Monaco about 1966........guess it worked out not LOL
At least they tried


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