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Originally Posted by PatrickB (Post 4665896)

I'm not sure what the prison situation is in PA, but I can vouch for CA. It's not really due to the war on drugs.

I think you're wrong. It is the war on drugs. I saw a number of statistics on this in the past. The US has by far the highest percentage of the population incarcerated (in the world). More than China. More than Russia. And some extraordinary percentage of those incarcerated (upwards of 50%—and probably significantly higher) are there because of drug offenses. The three strikes policy exacerbates the situation, but it is the drug war that is keeping the wrong people in prison, while at the same time putting enormous pressure on judges and prosecutors to give lenient sentences to the real animals that should be behind bars (because there is no room for them in the system).

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Originally Posted by patrickb (Post 4665819)

+10!
I'll never understand the outpouring of public sympathy for a criminal engaged in very criminal acts.

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Originally Posted by m21sniper (Post 4665788)

So your solution to car theft is lethal force/death penalty?

If I could get away with it, I'd not hesitate to kill someone who stole my car. I'd then go after his family too. Messing with a man's car is crossing the line.

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Originally Posted by Dottore (Post 4665904)

As a nation, yes, I will agree with you.

I was more specifically commenting on the State of CA vs the State of PA though...
3-strikes is a CA deal. It has effectively lowered crime rates in CA, but not without a financial price!

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Originally Posted by PatrickB (Post 4665819)

+10!

...... The kick was completely effective. ....... I'll never understand the outpouring of public sympathy for a criminal engaged in very criminal acts.

The kick was completely effective in filling the perps bank account or perhaps starting one for the first time.

I've read most of this thread and I don't perceive any sympathy toward the scumbag gangster. You're assuming because we say the cop was wrong, that we're saying the perp was right. All I'm saying is the cop was wrong to do what he did in full view of every potential juror in California. The cop handed this idiot likely $100K or more to buy more guns and drugs for his friends.

I bet before he was booked, 20 lawyers were scrambling to get to him. The cop was wrong and it will cost the taxpayers when the jurors bring back a verdict. Actually, this is so blatant, I doubt there will be a trial.

Todays pursuit is underway in South Gate.....stay tuned.

What a loser!!!!!!!!! he gave up with out a fight! Doesn't he know all he had to do was get kicked in the face and he'd of been set for life. Probably a first time offender.

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Originally Posted by PatrickB (Post 4665819)

+10!

What many don't understand, or can even begin to comprehend is the officer's perception of the immediate threat. It's so easy to pass judgement from the safety of an arm chair and reviewing the video over and over again. Is it fair for someone with no understanding of police tactics or never experiencing close hand to hand combat to even begin to comprehend what it is to have to make a life or death decision in a split second with your own life on the line? One perception I have (without having been on scene) is the clear disregard for human life evidenced by thought processes of an individual who decides to lead police on an extended pursuit reaching speeds of 80 mph on the WRONG SIDE of the street during the middle of the day. It's this type of criminal thinking that often leads to a suspect assaulting, or even killing anyone that gets in his way- law enforcement officers included. I wasn't there, but have a much better idea of this than many folks posting here. I have personal knowledge and many interactions with convicted felons from the same well armed gang as Mr. Rodriguez. They are known for being one of the more violent southern Hispanic street gangs in the San Gabriel Valley area. With that being said, until Mr. Rodriguez is donning the silver bracelets he is so accustomed to wearing, it's still game on. There are seconds leading up to his being on the ground that are not captured on video. Did he have the appearance of a concealed weapon on his person? Did he throw anything else while running?

Let's look at the specifics... One kick to the head, not multiple kicks. A single kick like that is often used as a distraction or stun technique. It was not meant to kill or injure. Why use that, instead of waiting for back up to arrive? After all, the officer did have his gun drawn... Because in theory, that kick to the head could have potentially saved several lives. Again, until the suspect is in mechanical restraints, and searched, he's still considered a threat. He could draw a weapon and attempt to attack officers. If Rodriguez reaches his hands to his body, the officer shoots him. Respect the perceived threat through the officer's eyes, not yours. The kick was completely effective. A kick to the head is easier to recover from than a bullet. He was placed into handcuffs with no injury to the officers, or the public, with the exception of a lump on his mellon.

At the end of the day, what could have potentially ended in tragedy, concluded with relatively little damage to personal property, and little injury. The very sad part is, a POS gangbanger may likely have just hit the lotto. I'll never understand the outpouring of public sympathy for a criminal engaged in very criminal acts. I'll bet that particular kick to his head pales in comparison to the fights he's been involved in with his gang rivals, and even his little homies... The irony is that kick to his head not only potentially saved his life, but will probably make him a millionaire... :mad:

I will some your post up in one word.

Nonsense.

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Originally Posted by PatrickB (Post 4665896)

I know this is straying off topic, but I have to comment!

I'm not sure what the prison situation is in PA, but I can vouch for CA. It's not really due to the war on drugs. CA prisons currently house approximately 35,000 illegal alien convicted felons. Furthermore, the Governator is considering releasing them to the federal government, if they are immediately deported back to Mexico. I'm sure NONE of them would ever consider breaking the law again by coming back to CA. Approximately 20,000 other "non-violent, non-serious" convicted felons will also be released early. Our State prisons are almost at 200% of their designed population capacity. The 3 strikes law is what did it for us. Statistically overall lower crime rates don't come without financial burden's though.

We are in for a long, hot, ugly summer in CA. It's gonna look like the wild west again before it's over... Soon enough, Californian's are gonna wish we had more cops like the one in the video...

Get over it people!

Bad Guy: Gang Bangin' idiot putting public safety at risk by endangering innocent lives.

Good Guy: Cop who safely placed a criminal into custody before he could make any more victims out of innocent bystanders!

Wow, yet more nonsense.

I find your position completely terrifying, and even worse- highly enabling.

Honestly- as a fellow American, your views on this subject sicken me.

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Originally Posted by PatrickB (Post 4665835)

Think this one through.... Who do you really think is going to be a cop under these conditions? Look to past history. Remember the early to mid-80's in Miami?

I think a good cop would be a good cop.

1986 was a long time ago, and those were FBI agents, and the perps were armed bank robbers. Totally different scenario.

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Originally Posted by Rick Lee (Post 4665914)

If I could get away with it, I'd not hesitate to kill someone who stole my car. I'd then go after his family too. Messing with a man's car is crossing the line.

You should delete that post. If anything ever happens you'll be crucified.

You just put the noose around your own neck.

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Originally Posted by m21sniper (Post 4666321)

I will some your post up in one word.

Nonsense.

I find it hard to believe you really think that way. Seriously????

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Originally Posted by KevinP73 (Post 4666327)

I find it hard to believe you really think that way. Seriously????

This is not Nazi Germany.

If our own cops cannot follow the laws, they are not worth the paper they are written on, and i see no reason why i should follow them either.

What's more, attempting to portray that OBVIOUS kick of frustration against a submissive and surrendering person laying prone as being in any way neccesary or defensive nature is complete and utter rubbish.

That video shows an outright and blatant abuse of power, a felony assault and clear police brutality, plain and simple.

I hope the cop loses his job, his reputation, and goes to prison, because it's where he belongs. With all the other felons.

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Originally Posted by m21sniper (Post 4666330)

OK then, answere this for me. Take the issue of the cops actions out of the argument. What is your opinion on how an admitted gangbanger, multiple offender, car stealing, drug dealing, people robbing scumbag should be dealt with by society?

He should be imprisoned for a long time after a fair trial by a jury of his peers.

Exactly as the founding fathers intended. Nowhere does the constitution of the US or any state delegate the authority to the police to act as jury or to implement criminal penalties.

On a side note. Tonights chase has ended and one of the persons taken out of the car had on the same clothes as the character we're talking about in this thread. Anybody see a pattern here?

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Originally Posted by m21sniper (Post 4666344)

From Websters.
1peer
Pronunciation: \ˈpir\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French per, from per, adjective, equal, from Latin par
Date: 13th century
1: one that is of equal standing with another : equal ; especially : one belonging to the same societal group especially based on age, grade, or status
2archaic : companion
3 a: a member of one of the five ranks (as duke, marquess, earl, viscount, or baron) of the British peerage b: noble 1
— peer adjective
I believe the word "peer" is no longer applicable here.

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Originally Posted by m21sniper (Post 4666344)

He should be imprisoned for a long time after a fair trial by a jury of his peers.

They're going to get 12 gang bangers for the jury? That'll turn out well.

Hey, I smell a new reality TV series. "Judge GangBang."

No wait, that is a porn movie...nevermind.

I thought felons were excluded from serving jury duty.
Somebody accused me earlier of being trapped 200 years in the past. Thats exactly where our constitution is trapped. When our founding fathers drafted the Equal Rights Ammendment or the Constitution was written they didn't have the issue of gangbangers to factor in. Things have changed since then and the fabric of our society is very much different.

He's just being a smartazz. ;)

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Originally Posted by KevinP73 (Post 4666355)

I believe the word "peer" is no longer applicable here.

Sorry, it is still applicable.

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Originally Posted by m21sniper (Post 4666370)

He's just being a smartazz. ;)

Sorry, it is still applicable.

Our laws prohibit his peers from serving on a jury. Now what, how do we handle him now?

For the record, I'm playing "couch lawyer" and pissed off citizen taxpayer.

Patrick, I read you post and even though I analyzed the video over and over, with no real training, I see an officer kicking a suspect that was spread eagle on the ground. I also see a lot of unnecessary tax payer money being spent because of the kick. There are a number of experts that have commented on the video and they say it looks to be excessive force. The words "excessive force", is not what a taxpayer wants to hear.

What I do know, is that everyone, including the police, need to be careful of their actions. Video is everywhere, capturing everything in today's world.

Now, did the suspect deserve that kick? Sure and a lot more too.