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After a very long week at work, a little stress relief. About 200 rnds of .22lr, and a little 870 fun. Five rounds of #3 shot at 7m:

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Still need more practice...

There's a group at my gun club that loves leaving targets behind...they compete with modified 10-22's @ 50 yards...lots of dime and 25 cent piece sized groups. Big scopes, bull barrels, carefully bedded stocks. Don't really know how they've modded the actions, if at all. Bench shooting...

I just bought a Sig Mosquito and can't wait to put hundreds of rounds down range without hearing my wallet cry like a b!tch.

Looks like you had fun, nothing quite like blowing off some steam by killing a paper man.

I don't do bench shooting. To me that becomes more about zeroing the optics. I prefer shooting offhand but I don't get any dime sized groups. With a pistol I'm 1-2" at 7m and with rifle the same at 15m and getting tighter. Just need more practice...

Well ya got it alright!

How's it going with the buckmark?

I still see an intact center circle.



:p

The Buckmark rocks. The sights are still a challenge, but I've gotten used to them. I think I might have knocked the adjustment though as I was consistently about a half inch low at 7m. But the gun is more accurate than me...so far. I'm thinking I should be able to shoot consistent 1" groups offhand at 7m, so that is the goal. I'm getting close. When I take my time I can do it. I was trying to double tap some tonight and that is tough.

Yeah, I'm still getting the hang of "pointing" rather than "aiming." Very different than shooting a rifle. I'll send another box downrange tomorrow night...

can you pm me where you shoot out in the desert?

I have some ammo that is magnetic and Burro canyon won't let me test my M1 there.

Under stress, would you still stop a person who broke into your home?

Then you're fine :)

I'm loving my browning medalist. Yay it's sunday tomorrow so I get to goto the range and let loose some lead. I'm shooting better with it now I'm holding it tighter. I describe it as instead of holding it like I'm shaking hands with my grandmother, I'm holding it like I'm shaking hands with a truck driver. The competition I shoot in we have to hold it one hand and shoot 25 yards and I'm getting half or more in the black area (10 inches across).

after a very long week at work, I still have to... http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/T...fice-tv-56.jpg

Bullseye shooting.

never understood shooting a shotgun at paper. i dont shotgun hunt turkeys, so i dont need to pattern a choke or anything.

i think you should bench the pistol a few times. makes sense to know the weapon can hold up it's end of the bargain. then you can focus on your part. i had a taurus 92 that couldnt shoot tight if i clamped it with a vice. sold it, and stepped up to a sig. things got prettier after that.

To supplement the arsenal, I just bought a recurve bow to shoot at paper and maybe one of those 3-D deer targets. I enjoy shooting and now archery for fun and I guess stress relief. Oh well they can take my bullets but they will have to pry my arrows out of my cold, dead fist.

It is about practice handling the weapon and learning to shoulder and point, along with "pulling" the weapon so that it doesn't hurt my shoulder. The technique I was taught requires practice, but I can shoot a box and have no pain whatsoever. And that is with an unmodified 18" 870.

Plus it is fun and I can do it at my indoor range. And shotgun shells are relatively cheap ($6/25 for #6, $9/25 for #3).

Hey Todd, you know there should really be only one hole in the center of the target right???;)

Kinda reminds me of a rusteed outold car:D
Nice grouping!!!!

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How come U always gotta be trying to foam everyone's manholes?

snotguns are like people some ya like some ya stand some are crap. each and EVERY snotgun barrel will group different. especially smooth bores ie. no choke system.

now since i dont have my pics yet, wait a min i do, well anyway heres my 00 buck post vang comped. since on the rifled slug thru a 870 post vang tests were NOT happy tests, i called vang and they said return it. i also brought my M-2 benelli along for a lil tune up on the slug side of thangs thru an IC(improved cylinder choke).

vang gur-rantees at 25 yds a 9" or less group mit der 00 buck federals. on their slugs side of thangs they gur-rantee a 3" group with federal rifled slugs or less at 100yds.

plain and simple a outta da box snotgun vs. a race snotgun. will post pics of slug groupos. i aint putting a freeking death ray lazer redot mega scope ever on a snotgun. period. most are heavy to begin with and the accuracy gain is about nil for what my uses are: bears/wolves/zombeeez.

hit vangs site for pics of DEA snotgun groupings. patterning is EVERYTHANG to a snotgun. my mag tube where it meets receiver will be straight edged with a dead nuts starrett surface plate and a rule for trueness. once barrel reinstalled it will follow mag tube. dont damn try bending yer own magtube at home unless yer a machine shop, you will reget it and then have to take to smithy. it is part science, machine shop 101, and voodoo black art form amongst smithys to do this correctly the first time.

remember............double tap chest,double tap head,double tap chest, and that leaves one for his buddy !
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above is fed 00-9 pellets. here is post vang slugs and i wasnt happy.

POST VANG VANG SUPER DUPER MONGO IMPROVED SLUG GROUPS WILL BE BETTER!



snicker snicker yuck yuck yuck!http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1244314671.jpg

Oh, it's more than zeroing optics...finding the right ammo, reading windage with a slug that light, the list goes on. With shooting sports, it's about what you like. Much like playing with cars... 7m...that's 25 feet?

A big part of getting a shot gun to pattern right is in the brand of shells you use. I have a win 1300 and with 3" mags I have to use federal to get a good pattern. A buddy of mine has a newer gun that can take the 3 1/2 inch mags and I have never seen a decent pattern from one of those.

ok, another night of practice. Boom.

same setup - 5 rounds of #3 at 7m - I'm still pushing a bit right (quarter for reference).

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Buckmark, 8 rounds @ 7m offhand. Still not breathing right on all the shots (dime for reference - this is a smaller target than the one above).

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Still talking buckmark - well, browning anyway. My GF came to the range today and had a shoot with the pistol. What a suprise after about 20 major arguments about me buying a pistol and comunicating with you (joke) American gun nuts. I guess she figured out she wasn't going to win, so if you can't beat 'em join 'em. She was actually quite good. 10 shots at 25 meters she got 2 in the 10" black area, 3 on the target, and the other 5... who knows where. She was a bit of a sucess with the guys LOL, they couldn't believe their eyes a nice looking girl sautering in.

As this illustration indicates, sight alignment is critical.

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When shooting off-hand, everyone's sight picture will 'drift', it's just natural. You just hold your trigger pressure until the gun moves back onto target (proper sight picture again) then continue to squeeze.

Some shooters sight-in their gun as; point of aim = point of impact. Not recommended. A 'six o'clock' sight picture is best, because it allows one to see the full bullseye/target area.

IE : Zombie approaching; head shot = sights aligned on his chin.
Center of mass = sights aligned just below his breast bone.

If you are a right hander, the slight misses (to the right) on your posted target may find your trigger finger ever-so-slightly dragging on the frame. Keep the finger away from the frame and use only the index finger tip to exert pressure.
New shooters sometimes just hook the first joint around the trigger ...not a good practice.

on your snotgun target w/birdshot and pulling right. your ammo, your trigger pull, your breathing are all suspect. any mass produced 329 $ snotgun is not going to have a national match trigger. bottom of the barrel 870 express trigger group about 5-6# pull on average. police trigger group upgrade about 8-9 # pull. the last thing ya want is a hair trigger on a snotgun.

with any gun of any flavor, working them over and trying different ammo will improve groups. alot if not always getting 200 rds downrange, will improve overall the guns happy factor by allowing machined surfaces to mate and become juan with each other in their lubed environment.

if after 200rds and thangs aint improving, take to smithy and say "whats up with dis"????

remember you are stroking yourself with a smoothbore barrel if ya expect any great groups. reason being forcing cone at receiver end of barrel mashes the hell out of shot as explosion occurs and everytime you light one off, pellets mashed to hell and no telling what group you will shoot.

with a choke system you will get a better pattern. hence the gazzillions of chokes on market.

when you look at vangcomps website at the dea pattern tests............thats the best of the best on the planet for a smoothbore at various yard distances up to 25yds.

now think about this if you were in their shoes. yer a cop, yer a border patrol agent. yer issued a sidearm and a shotgun for patrol. nothing more. your choices for the shotgun ammo are: A) birdshot-not ever B) buckshot-if yer doing searches or room to room searches C) rifled slugs. "C" is the answer. why? because you gain distance and reasonable accuracy. if ya have a rifled slug barrel you can easily hit 200yds with a sabot with very nice groups. with a smoothbore barrel your good to about 100yds with rifled slugs.

now when ya place a rifled slug barrel on snotgun yer limited to rifled slugs and sabots.

with a smoothbore you can shoot birdshot/buckshot/rifled slugs. you may live in a state that only allows hunting with a shotgun. in that case i would go with a rifled slug barrel and sabots and have that 200yd range.

now since i dont have to use a shotgun here in arizona for hunting deer, i'll just use my centerfire rifles for that, and der zombeez snotgun for home defense and bears.

now yer gonna be hard pressed telling da ranger why you shot the bear at 100yds. that aint gonna fly. a 50 yd bear shot and da ranger will question why you thought you were in imminent danger. 25yd bear shot is pushing my buttons because i know how fast they are. so bottomline you need to make a snotgun place ALL OF ITS PELLETS or SLUG for max stopping power in about the size group of a salad plate, from you out to 50yds.

now obvious ya gots to spend some bucks with vang to achieve those groups, but look at it this way.................can ya sleep at night knowing that all of yer 00 buck pellets are NOT hitting the target, be it man or beast???????? can ya sleep at night knowing when ya aim at "X" from 25 yds yer slug aint even in the black rings??????

its YER ASS not mine! i aint gonna be bear poo poo!

custom guns are as addicting as porsche racing. both have the word death in involved. when death involved............its no place fer cheap!http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1244383891.jpg

please note difference btwn both pics of post vanged 870 patterns. see anything?????

due to nature of shotguns, steel/lead pellets/ammo mfg, your aim,the weather. thats the best ya can expect EVER!

both of those 00 buck federal groups cant get any better ever out of a smootbore barrel.

im happy with those groups and it gives me a warm fuzzy at night.

once vang is done bending my mag tubes on the benelli m-2 and the 870, im really hoping we have sub 3" groups at 25yds with federal rifled slugs, and they are consistent shot after shot.

since we have eclipsed ourselves once agin with the shotguns and their accuracy upgrades its time to be moving on to another platform............M-14's!

time to upgrade them, and see what better groups we can do. its all cyclic man...............its all cyclic!

alright! found some pics from the "slug sessions" . please note this was at 25yds, windless morning, not hungover, off the bench.

all shots to left (7oclock) are rem 870 after going to vang first time.

all shots at right( 3 oclock) are unvanged benelli m-2.

all shots either federal 3" magnum rifled slugs or 2 3/4" federal rifled slugs

once i get both snotguns back from vang i will post pattern improvement pics.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1244385360.jpg

those are with ghost ring front sight dead on "X". once i told vang where my slugs were going................he knew exactly what steps to take to improve slug groupings.

m-2 was basically fired 200 times with multiple flavors of bird buck and slugs. so its broken in. thats what you can expect roughly out of box for a high end price tag benelli.

if all my slugs in "9" ring..............i'll be happy and the bears and the badguy zombeez WILL NOT BE HAPPY!

Shiny gun picture...

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I was at the range on Saturday and I was looking at a CZ 75 That thing fit my hand really nice!

Thanks Mo. What you have been telling me is what the guys at the pistol club have been telling me too. But... I find it easier to see half the black area over the top of the sight and aim at point of impact. I'm new to this game so I appreciate all advice.

Talking shotgun patterns; when we used to reload we played about with differnt powders and found the ones with the faster burn rate, and bigger bang, gave the worst pattern. At 30 yards we had holes big enough to fly a duck through.

Yup, this has been my experience also. OTOH, I've stopped casually "pointing" the handgun with the hope of hitting the target, ala shotgun-style. I am moving back toward the "aiming" strategy, much like rifle shooting only the handgun is not as stable. In other words, I'm finding that shooting a handgun is more like shooting a rifle than it is like shooting a shotgun. With a handgun, I still use the sights. The challenge has to do with stability.

Shot this last weekend with my new .22 @ 50 yards. It's a Savage Mk II with bull barrel, Accutrigger, and thumbhole stock. Tack driver.


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