Mozart has very few if any peers when it comes to writing, arranging and pure musical brilliance.

Beyond that Mozart broke new ground, challenged the status quo and had a profound influence on future composers. Beethoven was one who admired and was greatly influenced by Mozarts work.

MJ's legacy will be what he inspired artists to achieve.

I personally think he was born too late. He was kind of a throwback to the Rat Pack era. He could sing, dance and act. Think he would have fit in just fine with those guys.

As far as him not writing his own stuff, yeah that's fair. But it's also fair to say an artist can make or break a composition by how it's interpreted/performed.

We all know who wrote All Along the Watchtower but whose rendition of it do you hear? Same as many think Proud Mary is a Tina/Ike Turner composition.

Except that Mozart wasn't a gay pedophile.

So, anybody know when the tube "news" is going to give it a rest? Man, I'm already sick of it!

"Coming at 11! Michael Jackson still dead!" Krap...

"mozart"

seriously?

for the life of me i don't understand why he was held in higher regard the hall and oates or cindy lauper, or any of the other crap i didn't listen to in junior high. musical taste is subjective. so there is no point debating it. but "mozart", seriously?

was more choked up when jerry reed died last year.

"one has the right to expect common decency, even of a poet."

george orwell


i don't even know where to begin picking apart the things wrong with your post. what is the "fake" measure of morality you're referring to? is it the idea that you shouldn't **** little boys? is that the "fake" morality?

No, it means that the public figures that you think meet your moral standards are more than likely not so squeaky-clean once you peel back a few layers of the onion. Kind of like the Republican blow-hards and conservative Christian preachers that are always getting caught with little boys and such. The ones that scream the loudest in public about morality, like you are doing right now. That's what I mean by "fake".

Get it now??

And show me the testimony, anywhere, that M. Jackson "fked little boys" and I'll change my tune.

Michael Jackson and Mozart don't belong in the same sentence.

Unless of course that sentence happens to be, "Michael Jackson and Mozart don't belong in the same sentence". :p

One less freak in L.A. No big loss to the world. One less full-of-himself entertainer in L.A. No big loss to the world. One less pedophile in L.A. No big loss to the world. One less seriously emotionally disturbed "oh-woe-is-me" multi-millionaire in L.A. No big loss to the world.

I could care less. Not like he did anything for me personally.

Yea, I liked some of his music. In 1985. That's hardly enough for me to get misty about someone though.

Listening to the late news last night almost entirely dedicated to MJ's death and they played the 911 call. Supposedly, he was on a bed and the cardiologist who just happened to be there was giving CPR on the bed. The 911 operator said to put him on the floor for better compression of the chest, can't imagine why the doctor wouldn't know that.

I think the guy checked-out because he knew he couldn't deliver on the 50 concerts.

I still prefer the Four Tops to MJ!

He's most likely having coffee with Mozart and Fred right now.

who was $400 million dollars in debt!

I'm betting this weirdo might be worth more money dead than alive.

It will be entertaining to watch how the children develop in the shadow of their "pop icon" father.

Kinda yes. Not entirely up on MJ's situation, from what I understand no one, (including his accountants,) really has that clear a picture.

When you start talking about that amount of coin you have to understand that it does not always represent cash. It's very difficult to spend $400 M and not have anything to show for it. It results in assets and investments that are recoupable. Certainly not 100% but there is something there.

A lot of these guys live on lines of credit secured by those assets.

Look at Larry Ellison, he lives off a $1 Billion line of credit secured almost exclusively by Oracle stock. It's considered debt but the man is worth some $15-20 Billion. He does things this way because it's more liquid than what makes up his net.

Still it's risky, Ebbers did the same with Worldcom and we all know how that turned out in the end. He was $400 Million in the hole.

Anyway I guess my point is that massive debt like that is not always like you or I having $40K on our credit cards.

Not that we know of anyway... Maybe he was a lot worse but never got caught...


As far as I know, MJ was never convicted. (Innocent until proven guilty, at least give him the benefit of the doubt.)
He probably did things that are frowned upon, I agree.
He made a deal with the parents of the allegedly molested kid, true.
The parents accepted the money... Would you, if your kid was molested? I would certainly not.
I am not going to judge him based only on what I've heard/seen in the media.

Oh yeah, being a pedohile is bad, being gay, is not.

BestBuy was sold out of every MJ and J5 cd within the first 24-36 hours.

iTunes today. 7 of the top 10 individual song downloads, top 9 of 10 album downloads.

At this rate he should be in the black by Tuesday.

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Had this discussion yesterday. I'm a parent. You could not pay me enough to keep quiet about something like this. What parent could live knowing this could happen to someone else's child?

Now I know there are always unique circumstances but my position is a parent that would take hush money has compromised morality and in my mind is certainly capable of "making s**t up for the payday".

It's easy for us to believe cause the guy was highly eccentric. He's an easy target.

Do I think it's possible the accusations are true? Of course, if normal looking priest from my local church can be a pedophile then sure, MJ could be as well.

Am I convinced. Definitely not. And neither was a jury.

I am more inclined to believe that he spent time with kids because he missed his own child hood. He gave it up to become the success that he was and now he was using that success to get his childhood back.

We come to the only logical conclusion that we can because we can't relate to MJ's life.

We have no other frame of reference and therefore can't form an unbiased opinion.

But for sure we'll never know now.

Mj and and Mozart ? !
I find it hard to believe anyone will think of Mj in 500 years, much less teach about him.
Just a lucky dude who had some talent and was exploited....for his benefit or ..not.

are you insane? is that your problem?

Mozart was born 253 years ago, not 500.

What MJ's influence will be another 250 years is hard to tell. His influence up to this day is obvious. It's difficult to compare them, since they lived in such different times. How are you willing to compare?? albums sold, fans remaining after 50 years, 100 years, 250 years, number of concerts given, total number of people that attended those concerts?? To many criteria to get a definitive answer if you ask me.

I heard also there were large traffic jams and people gathering around all the "Boys and Girls Clubs" in the LA area too. Seems that all of the parents were holding and hugging their kids knowing that "threat" is now gone, never to be around them again. :cool:

I was using the 500 as in illustration use..........................