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legion 07-25-2009 09:28 AM

SPOILER ALERT - Hungarian Qualifying
 
Wow.

I sure hope Massa is okay. I'm watching it on DVR and OUCH!

Hit in the head with a spring? I wouldn't be surprised if he can't race tomorrow. That could take a while to recover from.

I thinks it's pretty clear he went unconscious before the crash.

imcarthur 07-25-2009 09:56 AM

Ferrari said he will not race. He is undergoing surgery to remove small particles from the wound above his eye right now.

Ian

livi 07-25-2009 10:15 AM

Incredible. The slow motion video from the car is uncanny. What are the odds for something like that to happen? Hope is recovers swiftly.

Aerkuld 07-25-2009 10:56 AM

I read reports that his helmet was damaged and the entire visor was torn off when the spring hit him. He apparently has a cut on his forehead, bruising around his eye, bone damage to his skull, a concussion. I also read about surgery, as Ian said, and that they were going to keep him in intensive care.

In my opinion he was extremely unlucky that the spring hit him, but extremely fortunate that it didn't hit him full in the visor. My wife and I were saying that it was amazing that he managed to gain consciousness enough to hit the brakes before hitting the tires. That could have been much worse if he'd hit those going any faster.

Hope he recovers fairly quickly and isn't too phased by the incident.

Geronimo '74 07-25-2009 11:02 AM

Get well soon Felipe.

I didn't see it yet, my sister tells me it was serious.
Il'' be watching the news tonight.

motion 07-25-2009 11:31 AM

Its on YouTube if you're fast.

GH85Carrera 07-25-2009 11:45 AM

It was amazing. I wonder if he will keep that helmet as a souvenir.

BOOMER 07-25-2009 11:55 AM

Massa undergoes surgery in intensive care
25 July 2009

Felipe Massa has been operated on in a Budapest hospital and remains in intensive care this evening. As reported earlier, the Brazilian driver suffered from concussion and a damaged skull in Hungary after striking a spring weighing 800 grams which had come loose from Rubens Barrichello's car.

With the section of track on which Massa was traveling seeing usual speeds of approximately 170 miles per hour, Massa was airlifted to hospital having been extracted from the car and taken to the Hungaroring's medical centre.

The latest Ferrari press release reads:

'Felipe Massa has undergone surgery this afternoon at the AEK hospital in Budapest and the outcome of the procedure was positive. Now, Felipe will remain under observation in intensive care. An update on his condition will be issued late tomorrow morning.'

GPUpdate.net has learned that Massa has suffered from bleeding in the brain as a result of the cracked skull and could miss the remainder of the season as a consequence.

URY914 07-25-2009 11:59 AM

Being carried out of his car....

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1248548392.jpg

Tishabet 07-25-2009 12:00 PM

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URY914 07-25-2009 12:16 PM

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Jims5543 07-25-2009 12:24 PM

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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/77276

Quote:

Massa suffers skull damage, concussion

By Pablo Elizalde Saturday, July 25th 2009, 15:55 GMT

Felipe Massa will need to undergo surgery after it emerged he has suffered bone damage of his skull and a brain concussion in his accident at the Hungarian Grand Prix.

The Brazilian will be forced to miss the race after he was hit in the head by debris believed to belong to Rubens Barrichello's car.

Massa was airlifted to a Budapest hospital, where he remains in stable condition.

Ferrari said in a statement that Massa will need to undergo surgery and will have to stay under observation in intensive care for an undisclosed period of time.

"After the accident during the qualifying session of the Grand Prix of Hungary, Felipe Massa was airlifted to the AEK hospital in Budapest," the statement said. "Felipe was conscious at the arrival at the hospital and his general conditions remain stable.

"Following a complete medical examination it emerged that he had suffered a cut on his forehead, a bone damage of his skull and a brain concussion. These conditions need to be operated on after which he will remain under observation in intensive care."

The team said further information will be released later tonight.

URY914 07-25-2009 01:06 PM

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legion 07-25-2009 01:31 PM

Now, I'm no Ferrari fan, but I don't want anyone to get hurt. Massa is a good guy, despite who he works for. I hope he recovers.

Just because he was conscious when he was put on the ambulance doesn't mean everything is fine. It can take minutes to hours for the brain to start swelling dangerously after an accident. Once again, I hope this isn't the case for him.

***

On the lighter side, I was a little amused when timing and scoring went down. I did notice that Alonso went from driver to driver and figured out who should be where. This was a good thing IMO, because it prevented the FIA from monkeying with the results.

artplumber 07-25-2009 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BOOMER (Post 4798121)
Massa undergoes surgery in intensive care
25 July 2009

Felipe Massa has been operated on in a Budapest hospital and remains in intensive care this evening. As reported earlier, the Brazilian driver suffered from concussion and a damaged skull in Hungary after striking a spring weighing 800 grams which had come loose from Rubens Barrichello's car.

With the section of track on which Massa was traveling seeing usual speeds of approximately 170 miles per hour, Massa was airlifted to hospital having been extracted from the car and taken to the Hungaroring's medical centre.

The latest Ferrari press release reads:

'Felipe Massa has undergone surgery this afternoon at the AEK hospital in Budapest and the outcome of the procedure was positive. Now, Felipe will remain under observation in intensive care. An update on his condition will be issued late tomorrow morning.'

GPUpdate.net has learned that Massa has suffered from bleeding in the brain as a result of the cracked skull and could miss the remainder of the season as a consequence.

None of that sounds very good. I hope he gets to live a normal life at the least and gets to drive again. Thankfully, the part didn't strike mostly the visor, or he might have lost his life over this detached part.

How is it possible to detach a spring from RB's car at speed (not having seen any other part of qualy)?

legion 07-25-2009 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by artplumber (Post 4798328)
How is it possible to detach a spring from RB's car at speed (not having seen any other part of qualy)?

I remember some engineer in F1 saying: "If a part doesn't fail occasionally, it's probably too heavy."

I'm guessing whatever bracket held the spring (probably carbon fiber) failed. It could be a one-off mistake, or a design flaw. It's even more freakish that Massa's car picked it up. I suspect that Button's car is being gone over with a fine-toothed comb right now as a second such failure will probably get both Brawn cars sidelined.

strupgolf 07-25-2009 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by legion (Post 4798278)
Now, I'm no Ferrari fan, but I don't want anyone to get hurt. Massa is a good guy, despite who he works for. I hope he recovers.

Just because he was conscious when he was put on the ambulance doesn't mean everything is fine. It can take minutes to hours for the brain to start swelling dangerously after an accident. Once again, I hope this isn't the case for him.

***

On the lighter side, I was a little amused when timing and scoring went down. I did notice that Alonso went from driver to driver and figured out who should be where. This was a good thing IMO, because it prevented the FIA from monkeying with the results.

Just because he was put in the amulance does not mean anything. For you old racing fans, just remember Mark Donohue, 1975, hit a fence post at this same event, went back to the pits, and died the next day from head injuries. Prayers to Massa.

legion 07-25-2009 04:25 PM

This is looking worse:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090725/ap_on_sp_au_ra_ne/car_f1_massa_crash

Quote:

BUDAPEST, Hungary – Ferrari driver Felipe Massa underwent surgery on life-threatening skull injuries Saturday from a high-speed crash during Hungarian Grand Prix qualifying. He was in stable condition in the intensive care unit of a military hospital.

The accident happened when a loose part from another car hit Massa in the helmet, causing him to veer into a tire-lined barrier at about 120 mph. The front of his car was shredded, with both tires gone and the front nose open.

The 28-year-old Brazilian also sustained a concussion but was conscious when airlifted to AEK hospital, his team said.

"At the time he was admitted to hospital his condition was stable and he was breathing and blood circulation was normal," the Hungarian defense department said in a statement.

"During the course of his examination they established that he suffered a serious, life-threatening injuries, including loss of consciousness and a fracture of the forehead on the left side and a fracture on the base of the skull."

Massa underwent surgery about an hour after arriving at the hospital. Hospital doctors subsequently said his condition was "serious, life threatening but stable" at a news conference, but ultimately ruled the Formula One driver was in "stable, satisfactory condition."

A spring that had fallen off Rubens Barrichello's car flew up and struck Massa in the helmet. An apparently dazed Massa continued over a curb and across the track. He went through the gravel area along the circuit before slamming into the tire barrier.

The impact of the rear suspension part — a standard component that Brawn GP team principal Ross Brawn believed was made of steel — damaged the left side of Massa's helmet, ripping out the visor and leaving a long dent on its side. Blood was seen above Massa's left brow.

Barrichello, a fellow Brazilian, went to the medical center to check on Massa. He said Massa appeared to be doing fine despite the cut above his left eye.

"He was in shock," Barrichello told The Associated Press. "Considering the gravity of the accident, I think he's in OK shape."

Massa appeared to regain consciousness just before the crash at turn No. 4 because his front brakes seemed to lock ahead of the violent impact.

He remained in the car awhile and was assisted out before being taken to the medical center. He was then taken to the helicopter on a stretcher, wearing a neck brace.

The crash came less than a week after Henry Surtees, the son of former F1 champion John Surtees, died in an F2 race last Sunday. Surtees was struck in the head by a tire from another car, causing him to lose consciousness and drive into a barrier.

"It is not a coincidence that something happened right now," Barrichello told reporters. "Something needs to be done. Yes, absolutely."

No F1 driver has died on the track since three-time champion Ayrton Senna's crash at Imola 15 years ago.

The accident was also reminiscent of Heikki Kovalainen's high-speed crash at last year's Spanish GP, when the McLaren driver sped into a wall. Kovalainen spent the night in a hospital with a concussion.

"What happened to me in Barcelona was a very nasty accident. But I think it was a pretty freak accident and I don't know how to prevent that," Kovalainen said. "It was very unfortunate. But I think we should discuss it."

Surtees' death prompted drivers to discuss at length the issue of debris and head safety during their usual pre-race meeting Friday.

Renault's Fernando Alonso won the pole position for Sunday's race after qualifying was delayed for nearly 30 minutes because of Massa's accident.

GH85Carrera 07-25-2009 04:52 PM

Wow 800 grams is 1.75 lbs. It is amazing he was able to slow down at all. He is lucky to be alive and under full medical care. Good luck Mr. Masa

imcarthur 07-25-2009 04:57 PM

Better news . . .
"Felipe Massa has been operated on this evening and is now in an induced coma in the AEK Hospital in Budapest.

An inaccurate report from AP this evening suggested that his condition was life threatening but this is not the case. The operation was successful and he is likely to be woken tomorrow.

Medical estimates of how long he will be out of action vary from two months, to longer. It has been suggested by one doctor here that he may miss the rest of the season. More will be known when the medically induced coma ends and the medics can assess the amount of bruising to the front of the brain.

The 28 year old was hit in the head by a spring which had fallen from the rear suspension of Rubens Barrichello’s Brawn car. He was on a lap heading back to the pits and was four seconds behind Barrichello on the road, when the spring became detached. It bounced down the road for four seconds and hit Massa in the head. He was briefly knocked unconscious and his feet went onto the brake and throttle simultaneously.

The data says that he applied 60bar of pressure to the brake, which is the equivalent of laying his foot on it gently, while the throttle was effectively jammed on."
from JA.F1

Ian

Zeke 07-25-2009 05:22 PM

Interesting to note that the car did downshift several gears apparently on its own as he straightlined across the track and into the tires. Might have saved him much worse injuries.

bell 07-25-2009 05:46 PM

I really hope massa is able to lead a normal life, his racing carreer could definately be over from this, being in an induced coma is NOT good news.........
Being hit in the head by a 2lb spring at 170mph is not something which should be taken lightly.........

Any questions read my signature and do a search.......even if he leaves the hospital he won't be healed for years....

Eric Coffey 07-25-2009 05:50 PM

Strange how these things frequently happen in pairs/threes. Take the weekend that Senna and Ratzenberger were killed (and Barrichello had the worst crash of his career) for example. Now, we have this incident with Massa, right on the heels of the death of 18 y.o. Henry Surtees (son of John Surtees) last week at Brands Hatch. The incident was eerily similar, and involved an arrant wheel from another car striking him in the head.

Aerkuld 07-25-2009 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bell (Post 4798702)
I really hope massa is able to lead a normal life, his racing carreer could definately be over from this, being in an induced coma is NOT good news.........
Being hit in the head by a 2lb spring at 170mph is not something which should be taken lightly.........

Any questions read my signature and do a search.......even if he leaves the hospital he won't be healed for years....

I'm sure he'll be OK.
Remember Mika Hakkinen? He had a big accident in Adelaide in 1995 and ended up with serious head injuries and in an induced coma. He was perfectly normal afterwards, for a Fin at least. He went on to become a double World Champion.

Look at the video from that and remember that this was before the Hans device...

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herr_oberst 07-25-2009 08:01 PM

I'm really glad that the news is better than it was this afternoon. For some reason The Dish only recorded 8 min of qualifying, so I never saw it, but I saw a terrifying crawl on ESPN, and I feared the worst.

It is looking better for Massa at least from a life threatening point of view, I hope he is able to resume his life as it was before, but obviously no one can know what is going to happen going forward.

A totally freak accident, for sure; and coming on the heels of the Surtees crash, I certainly hope that the race is free from this kind of drama (indeed, I hope that all race events around the world go off well tomorrow) because as many have mentioned, this stuff can happen in threes.

Get Well Soon, Felipe. You have a new baby on the way. He needs you.

Noah930 07-25-2009 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric Coffey (Post 4798706)
Strange how these things frequently happen in pairs/threes. Take the weekend that Senna and Ratzenberger were killed (and Barrichello had the worst crash of his career) for example.

Don't forget about the Karl Wendlinger crash, the same weekend (or was it the next?) that Senna died. I don't think Wendlinger ever drove at the highest levels again.

Oh Haha 07-25-2009 08:29 PM

Wow, is that a creepy pic or what? The close up of his face after being taken out of his car. His left eye looks he's passed. :(

I hope he is better soon and able to continue his racing.

artplumber 07-25-2009 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aerkuld (Post 4798809)
I'm sure he'll be OK.

I don't wish him ill, but that statement is pure polyanna(ish). Head injuries are funny things and can result in very sudden demise (remember Liam Neeson's wife Natasha Richardson?) I wonder what Barrichello is saying to himself.

The stewards better take a very close look at the Brawn cars to make sure it can't happen again.

Mericet 07-26-2009 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noah930 (Post 4798991)
Don't forget about the Karl Wendlinger crash, the same weekend (or was it the next?) that Senna died. I don't think Wendlinger ever drove at the highest levels again.

Actually, that was (ironically) Barrichello that crashed that weekend as well. His crash had all the makings for being a really bad one. Luckily it was not.

bell 07-26-2009 07:22 AM

an update on massa....


BUDAPEST, Hungary (AP)—Ferrari driver Felipe Massa remained in “life-threatening” but stable condition on Sunday following surgery on multiple skull fractures.

Peter Bazso, the AEK hospital medical director, told reporters that Massa would be kept sedated until Monday, but will be woken up periodically during that time.

When asked whether Massa’s life remained in danger, Bazso answered: “Yes, of course.”

Bazso said doctors were able to “remove the broken bones and stabilize the area,” procedures required to treat Massa’s “an open skull fracture and a contusion.”

He did not speculate how long it would take Massa to recover, or whether there would be any long-term effects of the injury.

“At the moment, we have to overcome this life-threatening condition,” Bazso said, adding that a CT scan revealed “expected results after an operation of this type.”

Massa’s parents and wife arrived at the hospital Sunday after flying in from Brazil, and doctors woke Massa temporarily to check on his condition and so that he could see his family.

Team principal Stefano Domenicali and several Ferrari staff were also on hand to support Massa’s family, which included pregnant wife Anna Rafaela.

The spring from Rubens Barrichello’s Brawn GP car bounced into Massa’s helmet as the 28-year-old driver reached speeds of about 120 mph. The impact concussed Massa, who plowed into the protective tire barrier.

Massa, who finished runner-up to Lewis Hamilton in the F1 championship last year, underwent surgery around 4:20 p.m. local time Saturday, about an hour after being airlifted to the hospital. He was conscious at the time.

The impact of the rear suspension part, believed to be made of steel, damaged the left side of Massa’s helmet, ripping out the visor and leaving a long gash in its side. Blood was seen on Massa’s left brow.

The crash came less than a week after Henry Surtees, the son of former F1 champion John Surtees, died in similar circumstances an F2 race last Sunday. Surtees was struck in the head by a tire from another car, causing him to lose consciousness and drive into a barrier.

Governing body FIA was expected to launch an investigation into the crash after several drivers and team principals called for safety measures to be re-examined.

No F1 driver has died on the track since three-time champion and fellow Brazilian Ayrton Senna’s crash at Imola 15 years ago.

AP Auto Racing Writer Paul Logothetis contributed to this report.

TheMentat 07-26-2009 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mericet (Post 4799467)
Actually, that was (ironically) Barrichello that crashed that weekend as well. His crash had all the makings for being a really bad one. Luckily it was not.


Barichello's crash was one of the most horrific looking ones I've ever seen:

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artplumber 07-26-2009 09:36 AM

That Barrichello crash was certainly scary looking initially, but you have a number of mitigating factors, actual speed into the barrier, angle, the crush/decel of components outside of the tub, the fence (which really distributes/slows decel) etc. Massa is in a much different situation. Plus the brain is a very fragile organ sloshing around in a bag (meninges) in a box (skull).

Anyway, Massa's noodle was almost directly affected. If he pulls through (and I think he should live) he is so lucky that the thing didn't impact his visor more than his helmet. He may never drive again however.:(

bell 07-26-2009 10:49 AM

I hope he pulls through just for his unborn childs sake.......being able to drive again is an afterthought.....

2.70Racer 07-28-2009 09:40 PM

Once again we are reminded that F1 and indeed most auto racing can be a dangerous sport.
Godspeed Felipe.

legion 08-07-2009 07:09 PM

Slideshow of Massa:

http://www.planetf1.com/Gallery_Detail/0,17732,3524_5474111_1,00.html

legion 08-08-2009 06:43 PM

Bump.

Nothing!

Pictures of Massa leaving the hospital in the link above.


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