I need one! 2010 911 SC

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by krichard

I'm happy to see that your ignore list is really not an ignore list!! Seriously though, who cares what the inspiration was for the 911? If it were not for Hitler Porsche may have never been.....I'm just glad Ferry did what he did. The fact that a company would try and retire a design but the paying customers wouldn't let it happen says loud and clear that this is not a tired design...... the models that have come and gone are the true tired designs.......

I figured for a non political simple car discussion you could be civil and adult.

I was wrong.

And apparently a lot of you care about the heritage of a 911, since it's a point of denial and finger pointing for many of the posters on this thread. I actually agree, who cares what the lineage is....except that the shape has been around forever and is just plain tired.

Imagine if Ferrari stopped making new "flagship" body styles after the 308. What a sucky world this would be then.

I don't see that the "customers wouldn't let the car be retired." A new CEO simply took over that was a 911 kool aid drinker. Had he not taken over when he did the 911 would be long gone, and we'd have all been blessed with numerous new Porsche designs in the intervening years. Sigh...if only that had happened.

[kaisen]

Originally Posted by m21sniper

Yep, they sold so many they were on the verge of bankruptcy and had to be saved by VW.

Read up on the recent Porsche/VW merger. Porsche was flush with cash until the VW acquisition. The purchase left Porsche cash-poor and leveraged, but otherwise operationally sound. It would appear from your statements that you believe Porsche was bankrupt and VW stepped in as their white knight. Simply untrue.

[m21sniper]

I will admit i don't exactly know what the hell Porsche was up to with it's attemtped takeover of VW.

But i will point out that Porsches' financial success is due more to the Cayenne and the Boxster than it is to the 911.

That much is fact. Porsche itself has said without the Cayenne and an "entry level" model (ie the boxster) they could not have survived.

[island911]

Originally Posted by m21sniper

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Imagine if Ferrari stopped making new "flagship" body styles after the 308. What a sucky world this would be then.

....

Man, are you missing the point...

Porsche designers BROUGHT BACK some styling of the early 911 (to much happiness to the 911 enthusiasts here.)

If that doesn't tell you how much the 911 styling has changed, I don't know what will.

[kaisen]

Originally Posted by m21sniper

Imagine if Ferrari stopped making new "flagship" body styles after the 308. What a sucky world this would be then.

Your 308 arguement is lame. Ferrari's Dino, then 308, then 328, 348, 355, 360, 430, and now 458 are all VERY familial much like Porsche's 911, 964, 993, 996, 997 progression. Both shapes are evolutionary.

And the 308 was never a flagship, rather the entry-level

[m21sniper]

Ferrari has come out with many brilliant designs you've not mentioned that are not even remotely familial to the 308. You sir, are the one with the lame argument.

Thank god for the 512TR and the Enzo, and the F-40/50.

If Ferrari thought like Porsche, those cars would never have even existed, they'd only be making evolved 308s.

[kaisen]

The point is that Ferrari is still producing a 'tired' design in the newest 458 that can be traced back almost 40 years to the Dino. The basic 'Magnum PI' shape is still discernable, just like the newest 997s.

Since the Dino, Ferrari has had some great designs. Since the first 911, Porsche has had some great designs.

What's your point?

[island911]

But wait, they aren't still painting them RED are they? ...such a tired color.

[m21sniper]

The 458 looks absolutely nothing like a 328.

Nothing.

Porsche should try the same strategy. That's my point.

[kaisen]

Originally Posted by m21sniper

The 458 looks absolutely nothing like a 328.

Nothing.

Dino



328



458

[m21sniper]

Nope the 458 doesnt look anything like a 328 to me, and the 328 looks only vaguely like a Dino.

That 458 is pure sex. Why cant porsche build something like that?

[slodave]

The three Ferrari's do share similar lines. It's very evident. The Dino and the 458 really share similar body lines.

[m21sniper]

I don't see it. The 328 is far more wedge shaped and angular than the Dino, and has freakin' flip up headlights. The only real similiarity is the rear window angle and the side vent. The grilles on all 3 are also very different. The 458 looks nothing like either of them, at least to me.

Did i mention the 458 is the sexiest car i've ever seen?

[svandamme]

Originally Posted by kaisen

Dino

Dino is just a copycat Porsche 904 anyway



And the 904 is better looking anyway if you ask me..

[slodave]

I agree about the 328 having straighter lines, but that was an 80's thing. I remember most European cars going that route.

[techweenie]

Originally Posted by TimT

2.2L 200 hp of 6 cylinder glory... EFI, ITB, shift at 78-8200
I have another engine in the pipeline...a 2.5

A 2.5... and I have been finding some more ways to take weight out of the car

Ah, the holy grail. Do you know Stu Zeh? He has built what you're working toward.

[m21sniper]

Agreed about the 904 being Gorgeous.

[dd74]

Back to this:

Originally Posted by m21sniper

A challenge is not what im looking for in my sports car. Power, performance, handling, braking, styling, yes.

Challenge?

No.

The challenge should be something the dude trying to keep up with me has to deal with.

So why are you spouting off about the 911? It's obviously not the car for you. So just say so, be done with it, and hit the road.

[pwd72s]

Originally Posted by kaisen

My favorite:

The original shape...hard to top the original, IMO...

[dd74]

Yeah, but the lines are still there.