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RWebb 09-30-2009 07:08 AM

Property Rights
 
the Supreme Court of Massachusetts recently held that police may not place GPS tracking devices on cars without first getting a warrant, reasoning that the installation of the GPS device was a seizure of the suspect's vehicle.

'when an electronic surveillance device is installed in a motor vehicle, be it a beeper, radio transmitter, or GPS device, the government's control and use of the defendant's vehicle to track its movements interferes with the defendant's interest in the vehicle notwithstanding that he maintains possession of it.'

- Commonwealth v. Connolly

jyl 09-30-2009 07:24 AM

No argument here.

RWebb 09-30-2009 07:38 AM

actually, I'd have worked up a privacy right based on the 4th Amend.

but hey...

TSNAPCRACKLEPOP 09-30-2009 08:27 AM

so what about on board computer/recorders?

m21sniper 09-30-2009 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by RWebb (Post 4927095)
the Supreme Court of Massachusetts recently held that police may not place GPS tracking devices on cars without first getting a warrant, reasoning that the installation of the GPS device was a seizure of the suspect's vehicle.

'when an electronic surveillance device is installed in a motor vehicle, be it a beeper, radio transmitter, or GPS device, the government's control and use of the defendant's vehicle to track its movements interferes with the defendant's interest in the vehicle notwithstanding that he maintains possession of it.'

- Commonwealth v. Connolly

Nice to see a judge side with the people once in a while.

john70t 09-30-2009 10:15 AM

Tell that to potential GM customers who want to buy American but don't want Onstar. The means of the customer to identify seperate and remove all data collecting/transmisson hardware from their persons and possesions should be a law.

Porsche-O-Phile 09-30-2009 10:31 AM

But they can have so many cameras and surveillance outposts all over the place that they know where you are at all times, effectively (at least in urban areas).

Also, what about most cell phones having passive listening capability and/or GPS capability that can be activated without the owner's knowledge (or even the device being powered on!) Is this considered illegal under the blanket of this ruling too?

Porsche-O-Phile 09-30-2009 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by john70t (Post 4927516)
Tell that to potential GM customers who want to buy American but don't want Onstar. The means of the customer to identify seperate and remove all data collecting/transmisson hardware from their persons and possesions should be a law.

Not with the advent and growing popularity of RFID. Those things are starting to pop up EVERYWHERE - in areas you wouldn't really expect too.

pwd72s 09-30-2009 10:38 AM

Then there is the Oregon program being pushed...GPS in ALL cars. Of course, for the purpose of collecting road taxes only. Florida also seems to be pushing this, according to info on a Mustang board.

john70t 09-30-2009 10:52 AM

4th Ammmendment: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated,..."

Rick Lee 09-30-2009 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by john70t (Post 4927604)
4th Ammmendment: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated,..."

Are you under the impression the BOR still means something? How do sobriety checkpoints comport with the 4th Amendment?

sammyg2 09-30-2009 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by RWebb (Post 4927167)
actually, I'd have worked up a privacy right based on the 4th Amend.

but hey...

Agreed. Unwarranted and unreasonable search.


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