Bill use what works for ya!
So you throw all MS products under the bus cuz your IE7 -> IE8 goes sideways?

The Windows OS has such a wide installed base around the world, it’s no secret all the
hackers target it first for penetration, which usually causes problems you are experiencing.
The effort involved on MS patch Tuesday would overwhelm the non technical.

BTW: MS didn’t become a dominant world powerhouse by producing crap software.
(Disclaimer: I receive monies from MS, I defend all Microsoft attacks)

XP still rules, Vista and Se7en can kiss my ... As long as i can find drivers for my new hardware i'll stick to XP.

Hell , if MS says the classic menu and what not is done, and us users should just deal with it and "move on", well yeah, i'll move on to .... Linux.
If i absolutely must learn a new desktop enviroment, there's no reason why i should stick to MS is there?

My ***** is that I had a perfectly good running system that became a nightmare to use after installing a so called upgrade. AFAIK ie 7 isn't even available anymore( I checked MS download site and get directed to ie8), they want to do the same to my perfectly adequate 2003 Office suite. AND have the nerve to try to get me to upgrade to their newer OS, that's just BS. I get a whole new appreciation for the Apple commercials on TV.

Absolutely lame statements. The desktop environment is the same. The start menu is simliar, functioning the same as XP's much more effiiciently. If you haven't used 7, don't knock on it.

What hardware are you using that doesn't have Vista/7 drivers??

As for IE8, you can use the compatibility button to use the IE7 "non-standard" way of rendering pages. Usually, this will fix most sites that don't follow the IE8 rules (read: mostly web standards). The reason Opera hates some sites is not cuz Opera is bad at rendering. It's too GOOD. Much of the web doesn't conform to web standards, and the browsers render them incorrectly. That's what's happening when you try IE8 on some sites that used to work on IE7. IE8 adheres to the standards much better than IE7 or 6 did.

Same here. And running OSX at home. The funny thing is I installed XP with VMware in my mac. It lasted two days then I got a blue screen. :eek:
It clearly goes to show that is the ms system that sucks, not the hardware (mac was fine).

It's not lame to say i prefer the old , classic start menu without the fluff and fat.
And i'm not alone in that , folks even program applications and hacks to try and make se7en look like Classic.. if you call that lame, then you probably are one of those folks who has a brown MS nose.

I tried Vista several times, each times it pissed me off within hours, the longest i managed to hold formatting was 2 days
Se7en, same thing.


My hardware all has windows7 or vista drivers, in fact, they came with it
the point is
i. do. not. want. Vista or Se7en.

I want XP, and modern pc's no longer come with XP, so i have to dig around to find drivers for it.. And as long as i can still do that, i'm sticking to XP.
MS should not dictate how i organize my desktop, it's no crazy requirement to leave in the option to go "classic"
Other then easy driver support, there is nothing in Vista or Se7en that appeals to me. Not one thing i consider "added value". All the apps i need, run just as fine on XP, all the fluff that is added, is fluff i would disable for performance anyway, just like i already disabled stuff on XP.

Wait wait wait, hold on, lemme get this straight: people still use internet explorer?

We can tell real quickly who has done a "Windoz update" recently.

MS does not like to let Firefox on its site to do any updates. You can try all you want to but its kinda like leading a liberal to the truth... they aint having anything to do with it.

Windows Update isn't even browser-based anymore. It's a control panel applet.

I get windows updates at least weekly. Automatically.

If you were referring to updating the OS to a something newer than XP, you're right.

people still use flint & steel too

Finally something for you and island911 to agree on...