Speaking of .308...
 

This looks cool as hell...

http://www.porkchoponline.com/images/keltec-rfb-2.jpg

Kel-Tec RFB. $1,800. WAY different than Kel-Tec's current lineup...

If I had the money...

It's ambidextrous. As someone who is ambidextrous, and likes to practice switch shooting, I like this!

The price seems fair. Out of my range, but fair.

Looks like it's prepped to accept an AAC SCAR-H SD suppressor.

Sure hope Keltec's usual clientèle (gangbangers) don't immediately realize the benefits of a bullpup .308.

Hopefully it won't take 30,000 units before all the kinks are worked out. I saw on the interweb that wholesale will be about $1125, an some retailers are taking orders at about $1400. Not bad if there are just small early production issues.

Since I don't expect to storm a building, the Target model looks like fun. Maybe a 26" barrel. Wonder why they didn't make it a 308 Win so one could use that or NATO rounds. Or have I got it wrong in that a NATO chamber shouldn't be used for 308 Win, but a 308 Win chamber can safely fire a NATO round.

I don't know if I'm ready for a $1000 Kel-Tec.
Jim

Wow, serious looking weapon. I do really like my Kel Tec P32, but i can't imagine ever spending that kind of coin on any Kel Tec.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...r/100_1967.jpg

George Kelgren has been designing guns for over 30 years and worked for 4-5 different manufacturers before founding his own company. His best-known design to date is probably the Tec 9. His designs tend to be as simple as possible, so this is quite a departure for him.

I suspect he built up his business by selling inexpensive guns to accrue the capital to allow him to do what he really wanted.

Remember, the guy who designed the VW Beetle started building sports cars one day...

That's interesting. My BIL has an Armalite AR10 in .308Win and it's very accurate and fun to shoot.

Thats pretty sweet looking.... What I want to see is a Walther G22 in .223....


That Walther is one smooth little bullpup, and you can get it with a Carbon Fiber stock. :D

"Are the .308 Winchester and 7.62×51 NATO one and the same?”

The simple answer is no. There are differences in chamber specs and maximum pressures. The SAMMI/CIP maximum pressure for the .308 Win cartridge is 62,000 psi, while the 7.62×51 max is 50,000 psi. Also, the headspace is slightly different. The .308 Win “Go Gauge” is 1.630″ vs. 1.635″ for the 7.62×51. The .308’s “No-Go” dimension is 1.634″ vs. 1.6405″ for a 7.62×51 “No Go” gauge. That said, it is normally fine to shoot quality 7.62×51 NATO ammo in a gun chambered for the .308 Winchester (though not all NATO ammo is identical). Clint McKee of Fulton Armory notes: “[N]obody makes 7.62mm (NATO) ammo that isn’t to the .308 ‘headspace’ dimension spec. So 7.62mm ammo fits nicely into .308 chambers, as a rule.” You CAN encounter problems going the other way, however. A commercial .308 Win round can exceed the max rated pressure for the 7.62×51. So, you should avoid putting full-power .308 Win rounds into military surplus rifles that have been designed for 50,000 psi max.

the safety and fire switch looks like it would be hard to use.

Danny, that's what I was thinking. That a .308 Win chamber can safely take a NATO round, while a NATO chamber can't always take a .308 Win round. Hence why didn't Keltec chamber it for .308? Or are they going after some military sales -shrug-

Price wise - a well setup AR or a milled AK or. FAL. Are over $1000 easy. So a bullpup like this Keltec may not be too pricey at about $1400 assuming the quality of this rifle is above the lower priced weapons they sell.

Re: Leland's comment about the gang bangers - I hope the price will keep them away.