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gassy 11-23-2009 07:52 AM

Galileo's missing fingers found in jar
 
I didn't know any of this (which isn't saying much) but I found this interesting.

Galileo's missing fingers found in jar - CNN.com

M.D. Holloway 11-23-2009 09:18 AM

The quest for relics was the main reason for the crusades and the eventual middle beast Muslim Judio Christian problems...

dhoward 11-23-2009 09:20 AM

Whew.
I can finally stop looking...

audiman08 11-23-2009 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by LubeMaster77 (Post 5027379)
The quest for relics was the main reason for the crusades and the eventual middle beast Muslim Judio Christian problems...

Wow, I'm a graduate student studying history and I've never heard that....sounds like you've been reading too many novels. The first crusade was a result of Emperor Alexius I requesting help from the Pope because Byzantine pilgrims were being mistreated by the Seljuk Turks (who controlled Jerusalem). Other reasons include political friction between Turkish and southern European nations. Relics really didn't have anything to do with the start of the crusades, afterall there were Christians in Jerusalem before the crusades who would have access to relics there. There would be no need to start a religious war to claim relics they already had access to. Sorry for the history lesson...:D

Moses 11-23-2009 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by dhoward (Post 5027383)
whew.
I can finally stop looking...

:d:d:d

M.D. Holloway 11-23-2009 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by audiman08 (Post 5027429)
Wow, I'm a graduate student studying history and I've never heard that....sounds like you've been reading too many novels. The first crusade was a result of Emperor Alexius I requesting help from the Pope because Byzantine pilgrims were being mistreated by the Seljuk Turks (who controlled Jerusalem). Other reasons include political friction between Turkish and southern European nations. Relics really didn't have anything to do with the start of the crusades, afterall there were Christians in Jerusalem before the crusades who would have access to relics there. There would be no need to start a religious war to claim relics they already had access to. Sorry for the history lesson...:D

I will pull out my sources tonight - it is part of a library I have assembled studying failure. In this case it was the failure of Man.

Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem...

creaturecat 11-23-2009 10:16 AM

A failure library? Serious?

M.D. Holloway 11-23-2009 10:22 AM

Yup. Had to for the book I wrote. I started with materials (metal, wood, plastics and composites) and machines on through to electronic components but I couldn't stop there - it would have been incomplete and a failure! I have a pretty good collection including the failure of methods (management), reasons for business failure as well as man failure.

You might say I am an expert at failure...

audiman08 11-23-2009 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by LubeMaster77 (Post 5027552)
Yup. Had to for the book I wrote. I started with materials (metal, wood, plastics and composites) and machines on through to electronic components but I couldn't stop there - it would have been incomplete and a failure! I have a pretty good collection including the failure of methods (management), reasons for business failure as well as man failure.

You might say I am an expert at failure...

What book?

M.D. Holloway 11-23-2009 10:44 AM

"Developing Purchashing Specifications Using Failure Analysis" - Industrial Press is offering it in Feburary.

audiman08 11-23-2009 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by LubeMaster77 (Post 5027594)
"Developing Purchashing Specifications Using Failure Analysis" - Industrial Press is offering it in Feburary.

I'd be interested to see your sources on the idea that relic hunting caused the first crusade, as no historians take that position, nor is there any historical evidence to support that. You may want to tell your editor to leave that section out.

Pazuzu 11-23-2009 10:57 AM

Material failure comes from taking the raw materials and turning it into an object that is not inherent in the material. Take a tree that wants to be a chair, and make a table of it, and it will fail. Take a rock that wants to be a statue and make it into a birdbath, and it will fail.

Understand what the raw material wants, needs to be, and obey that, and it will not fail.



:D


So, was this Galileo's middle finger? I think he used that one quite a bit near the end...

M.D. Holloway 11-23-2009 12:41 PM

All things will fail - just a metter of time...

M.D. Holloway 11-23-2009 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by audiman08 (Post 5027629)
I'd be interested to see your sources on the idea that relic hunting caused the first crusade, as no historians take that position, nor is there any historical evidence to support that. You may want to tell your editor to leave that section out.

except that is not in my book - hold tight lad, it has been a few years sense I read that particular source, I'll get it for you.

audiman08 11-23-2009 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by LubeMaster77 (Post 5027871)
except that is not in my book - hold tight lad, it has been a few years sense I read that particular source, I'll get it for you.

No worries, I wasn't trying to be critical, just had to chime in on the crusades. I'd still like to read your book. :)

adrian jaye 11-24-2009 12:21 AM

not all things ;)

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Originally Posted by LubeMaster77 (Post 5027869)
All things will fail - just a metter of time...


john70t 11-24-2009 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Pazuzu (Post 5027633)
So, was this Galileo's middle finger? I think he used that one quite a bit near the end...

Displayed on a wall facing Rome?


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