have you heard this 911 call?
 

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i admit, she kept it much cooler than i think i could..

911 operator never should have "encouraged" the right to protect her property with lethal force. I imagine the department was sued nicely.

You don't have to discourage it, but she was obviously giving her the go ahead to kill this guy (more than twice)....bad decision even though she was right.

That being said the homeowner did the right thing, it's just not something that the operator should have ok'd. She should have pushed the go to another room and lock the door option. Now this dbag's family is loaded with city money no doubt.

chilling.

didnt the dispatcher simply forward the "green light" from the responding officer? man, maybe i should replace my home phone. the option to dial, get the operator, leave the phone connected, and retreating to a defendable position seems like a good one.

CASTLE DOCTRINE.

Nobody should have to re-treat in their own home.

I feel bad for that woman. She wasn't a bloodthirsty maniac or as "right" as any of us could be comfortably behind our computers. She didn't want to it nor wanted to have had done it. I'd never want to be in that position.

Unclear as to why when holding a loaded gun, she didn't say something to the guy....even before he broke in the door. Shoot out a window, rack the gun or whatever. Even once he broke in, even as she said he had a gun, he probably wasn't expecting HER to have a gun.


I'd be interested in the back/after story.

My spidey senses tell me.... well, they just tell me...

that it sounds a bit contrived?

I think she was predetermining her course of action and not giving any verbal warnings to the intruder... Not that I don't think she was in the right to do what she did once the guy got in, I just get the feeling that she was getting a kick out of getting to kill someone until she pulled the trigger.... I may be wrong... but most women I think would be scared *****less yelling at the intruder and not having a conversation about killing someone with a dispatcher...

I disagree. I don't think she wanted to kill the dude before or after. BUt I don't understand the lack of warning. Then again, I'm not in her shoes.

Yeah, that's why I said that I may be wrong... I just imagine my 79yr old mom or my wife or one of my daughters in that situation.... I know that they would be yelling things at the person knocking on the door like "The police are on the way!" "You need to leave!" "I have a gun and I am not afraid to use it!"..... She was telling the dispatcher she had a gun and was not afraid to use it... just seems a$$ backwards odd to me...

This will be interesting. He had a wreck and was probably trying to get to a phone fast.

I'm all for defending one's property with deadly force if needed especially if it's obvious they're bad guys, but this may just be someone trying to get help from a wreck.

no way!!!??? how do you know this?

Every situation is different and you have to figure that this lady had no military/law enforcement training (why I gave examples of my family in this situation..) But I believe that if he just breaks in then BOOM he is dead... In this particular situation (while justified in my opinion ) quite a bit of time was passing by with her not trying to communicate any type of warning to the intruder...
I guess I consider his knocking on the door an attempt to make contact with someone...(maybe to use the phone..) if it were an emergency and no one answered the door I would probably break in to use a phone if my life or the life of someone else was on the line... I would have been shot trying to save someone in this situation due to the homeowner not communicating...

Apparently, there was an accident of some sort.

NewsOK

After reading that longer report, I say good for both women.

If I really needed to get into someone's house for an emergency I wouldn't start at the back door and then throw a chair through a large window.

In the paper today it was announced the shooting was justified. There will be no charges filed against the home owner.

Don't try to break into a house in Oklahoma. Good guys 1 bad guys ZERO.

Why would anyone give warning before killing an intruder? I would not and I would not call 911 before doing so. You call them after you call your lawyer. They can't do anything for you except send someone to clean up the mess.

ZERO problem with how this was handled. I can think of a number of reasons why the homeowner didn't say anything and I doubt that if she hollered at the dude that the outcome would have been different.

Sounds to me like the perp was all hopped up on goof-balls (LOL)

reads like his last binge didn't turn out well for him...

Perhaps the outcome wouldn't be different, but if I was her, I would rather have let the f*cker know to start running (and hoped he did so) rather than have to walk past the spot where I blasted a dude to death. I think the emotional toll will be harder on her than on you guys, but we're all wired differently.

The shooting was justified no doubt... but, I don't think there needed to be a shooting given the circumstances... just saying...

And how would you have handled it, were you a woman at home alone with a guy breaking down your door late at night? Ask him if he just wants some food or if he plans to rape and pillage before you draw down on him?

That's just it Rick he didn't break the door down until the end of the call.. he was knocking trying to get someone to open/answer the door...(or at least that is what it sounded like on the recording). Once he broke the door and entered, I would have followed the same path she did, I just think I would of handled things differently prior to him breaking the door in...

How? Let him in so he'd calm down? Yeah, that would have been a great idea. Maybe she could have asked him what was bothering him. I know my wife is real compassionate toward strangers banging on the door in the middle of the night when I'm away.

The lady made the correct decision. I hope if I'm ever faced with the same decision I can make it as well. Think about the circumstances.
Guess I'm thinking of her, not him.

Karl
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My Mother would blast the bastard, she has a few guns and is not afraid to use them..

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"It's ok ma'am, you have to protect yourself."

God bless that 911 operator. The ones around here are total idiots.

Autopsy should tell how much acohol or drugs the crazy guy had in his blood. She did the right thing, and took out someone who could have killed an innocent familly while driving his pick-up truck under the influence. If it takes some people lead to learn their lesson in life, so be it. He can always reincarnate as a kind and gentle human being for his next life.

I don't understand why I am the only one calling a foul on this one... I am probably as far right as one can possibly get on the issues of gun rights and use of force, but something about the tone of her voice, words used and sequence of events doesn't ring true to me (for whatever reason)... I just believe that if this had happened to any of us in the middle of the night that the sequence of events would have unfolded in the following manner...

1. Loud knocking at the door (startling me/you)
2. Go grab gun
3. Knocking continues...
4. Me/you to perp "What do you want"

5(a) Perp "I need to use the phone I have been in an accident"
1. tell perp to step 10 paces back from the door and pass phone out to him

5(b) Perp "incoherent dribble"
1. Dial 911 / yell to perp "the police are on their way and I have a gun"

6. If perp chooses to put something through the window and come in then follow the
same course of action that the lady in the tape did.


I just find it odd that she did not retrieve a weapon until the end of the 911 tape... just doesn't seem the actions of someone who was truly scared. I am ex military / law enforcement and I would have been scared/startled to the point that securing a weapon would have been my first order of business....

Some people call 911 first. Like the guy who had the accelerator pedal stuck under the carpet in his Camry and was on the phone asking what to do. I would have turned the ignition key off before calling 911, but that is just me...

Never thought about how long the response time would be in a rural area. If you listen to the full length call it takes around 20 minutes for the police to arrive.

She is a female and alone. If she does/says anything that reveals that fact to the criminal, she increases her danger. Middle of the night in a rural area? She did the right thing.

She lived in a rural area. There is a large gate with a no trespassing sign on it that the dude had to climb over to get up to the house.

He threw a table thru a plate glass window. He was not looking to use the phone. She did the proper thing.

Or, she lets him in and he rapes & robs her, drinks her booze, takes all of her meds & heads off to do the same to someone else another day...

Just because you don't have the balls to protect your family, don't think that the rest of us are puzzies who would hide under the bed...

WTF?:confused:

For some folks, taking a person's life is pretty heavy duty emotional baggage. For others, killing someone is okay as long as one can justify their actions.

Don't think that the latter doesn't produce emotional repercussions. Our VA hospitals are full of war vets who suffer from post traumatic stress disorders of various degrees.

In hindsight, I think this woman could have done things a little differently if she wanted to remain safe while avoiding killing someone.

Sherwood

I mark a big red "X" on my calendar at the end of every day I didn't get to blow away a dirt-bag. Oh well...someday I might get lucky, as this woman did, and get to use that green marker!

Just a couple things here..Retreat to a small room...What good would that do ? It would render a shot gun useless !
OK start a screaming contest with an idiot breaking into your house ?? !! ....It gives away way too much information
PT 3...He should be shot dead for breaking and entering anyway...save the courts a lot of time and $$$