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TSNAPCRACKLEPOP 01-15-2010 12:42 PM

he must be a smoker with that persistant front vent window.

TSNAPCRACKLEPOP 01-15-2010 12:45 PM

so is the first one a skoda, tatra, or original one off design of juray?

TSNAPCRACKLEPOP 01-15-2010 12:55 PM

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THE PREVENTED VOLKSWAGEN - This book is currently in development and is dedicated to the automotive designer Joseph Ganz (1898-1967), who was a pioneer in the creation of the Volkswagen concept in Germany in the 1920s and early 1930s. Born in Budapest, Joseph Ganz moved to Germany in 1916 where he started his higher education. As a qualified engineer he soon started working as a motoring journalist and automotive designer in the mid-1920s. Joseph Ganz promoted the concept of a cheap, reliable car with very good driving abilities in his journalistic writings and called for the development of a Volkswagen by the German motoring industry. He even laid down the technical concept with a rear-mounted engine, swing axles, independent suspension, a backbone chassis and a streamlined body. But when the motoring industry failed to develop it, Ganz took the matter on himself and built several prototypes and production cars in the early 1930s, including the 1930 Ardie-Ganz prototype, the 1931 Adler Maikäfer prototype, the 1933 Standard Superior and the 1934 Bungartz Butz. Ganz also worked as a consultant engineer for such companies as Daimler-Benz, BMW and Adler and was the editor in chief of Motor-Kritik magazine. But as an opponent of the old-fashioned motoring industry, and being of Jewish origins, Ganz got into serious trouble with certain members of the newly established nazi-government in Germany. They stopped at nothing to try and destroy his career and stop the production of his Volkswagen cars. Even though Joseph Ganz survived the war in Switzerland, these people were so successful that today he is almost completely forgotten and largely left out of written automotive history. Ferdinand Porsche is generally seen as the sole inventor of the Volkswagen. Joseph Ganz died in Australia in 1967, where he'd fled more or less out of desperation in 1951. The Joseph Ganz research project was started in 2004 to research the life and work of Joseph Ganz and re-write an important and ignored piece of automotive history. The research has unveiled a huge amount of historical material, including a large part of Ganz's original archive consisting of documents on microfilm and original black&white photo negatives, a large part of which has never been published before and comes from Joseph Ganz's own photo archive.


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Image selection, top row: Joseph Ganz (left) and Paul Jaray (right) in the Maikäfer, second row, left: front cover of Motor-Kritik magazine with Joseph Ganz in Ardie-Ganz prototype, right: Swiss Volkswagen, bottom row, left: Standard Superior, right: brochure Standard Superior.





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EXKLUSIV: WIE DER VW KÄFER WIRKLICH ENTSTAND - Feature article on the history of Joseph Ganz and his work on the Volkswagen. Published in German magazine Technology Review, November 2005.
HET DOSSIER: DE JOODSE VOLKSWAGEN - Feature article on the history of Joseph Ganz and his work on the Volkswagen. Published in Dutch technology magazine De Ingenieur, issue 2, 2005.

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island911 01-15-2010 12:59 PM

Paul Jaray was a Hungarian engineer who was big into Aero concerns. ..form follow function.

Randy's pic is a CAD model of the 1922 patent of Paul Jaray's early work. Variations made their way to other cars, like the Tatra.

TSNAPCRACKLEPOP 01-15-2010 01:05 PM

BIOGRAPHY
Dipl.-Ing. Josef Ganz (1898-1967) was the engineering father of the Volkswagen Beetle - the most famous and enduring car ever built - and laid many of the foundations for lightweight modern motorcars.

Josef Ganz was born in a Jewish family with a Hungarian mother and a German father in Budapest on July 1, 1898 and was already fascinated by technlogy at an early age. After relocating to Germany in 1916 and serving in the German army during the First World War, Ganz started a mechanical engineering study.



During this time, he became inspired with the idea of building a small people's car for the price of a motorcycle. Josef Ganz made his first Volkswagen design sketches in 1923, designing an innovative small lightweight car with a mid-mounted engine, independent wheel suspension and an aerodynamic body, but lacked the money to build a prototype. Therefore, he passionately started publishing articles on progressive car design in various magazines.

Shortly after his graduation in 1927, Josef Ganz was assigned as the new editor-in-chief of Klein-Motor-Sport. He used this magazine, which he renamed into Motor-Kritik in January 1929, as a platform to criticize heavy, unsafe and old-fashioned cars and promote innovative design and his concept for a 'Deutschen Volkswagen' ('German Volkswagen'). 'With the ardent conviction of a missionary', so post-war Volkswagen director Heinrich Nordhoff would later say, 'Josef Ganz in Motor-Kritik attacked the old and well-established auto companies with biting irony.' These companies fought against Motor-Kritik with law-suits, slander campaigns and an advertising boycott. However, every new attempt for destruction only increased the publicity for the magazine and Josef Ganz firmly established himself as the leading independent automotive innovator in Germany.



In 1929, Josef Ganz started contacting German motorcycle manufacturers for collaboration to build a Volkswagen prototype. This resulted in a first prototype built at Ardie in 1930 and a second one completed at Adler in May 1931, which was nicknamed the 'Maikäfer' ('May-Beetle'). News about these amazing constructions quickly spread through the industry.



Besides at Adler, Josef Ganz was assigned as a consultant engineer at Daimler-Benz and BMW where he was involved in the development of the first models with independent wheel suspension: the highly successful Mercedes-Benz 170 and BMW AM1 (Automobilkonstruktion München 1). Furthermore, Josef Ganz managed to pursuade director Wilhelm Kissel and technical director Hans Nibel of Daimler-Benz to develop new rear-engined models under his supervison. His brilliant engineering work and critical journalistic writings jump-started a revolution in the automotive industry to build affordable, lightweight, comfortable, safe and efficient cars.



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The first company to serially manufacture a Volkswagen according to the many patents of Josef Ganz was the Standard Fahrzeugfabrik, which introduced its Standard Superior model at the IAMA (Internationale Auto- und Motorradausstellung) in Berlin in February 1933. Here the new Chancellor Adolf Hitler expressed great interest in its revolutionary design and low selling price of 1,590 Reichsmark. Under the new anti-Semitic government, however, Josef Ganz was an easy target for his old enemies.


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Ironically, while German car manufacturers one by one took over the progressive ideas that had been published in Motor-Kritik since the 1920s, Josef Ganz himself was arrested by the Gestapo in May 1933 based on falsified charges of blackmail of the automotive industry. He was eventually released, but his career was systematically destroyed and his life endangered. This lead to his escape from Germany in June 1934 - the very month Adolf Hitler assigned Ferdinand Porsche to realize the prophecy of Josef Ganz: designing a mass-producible Volkswagen for a consumer price of 1,000 Reichsmark. The Standard Fahrzeugfabrik, which had recently released a new model with place for a family with two children, was now forbidden to use the name Volkswagen in its advertising.




Josef Ganz settled in Switzerland where with government support he started a Swiss Volkswagen project. The first prototypes were constructed in 1937 and 1938 and plans were formed for mass-production inside a new factory. After the start of the Second World War, however, Josef Ganz was again under serious threat from the Gestapo and corrupt Swiss government officials who tried to claim the Swiss Volkswagen project as their own. After the war, Josef Ganz in a desperate attempt for justice took his Swiss enemies to court. Numb from five years of highly complex court battles, Josef Ganz left Switzerland in 1949 and settled in France. Here he worked on a new small car for Automobiles Julien, but could no longer compete with the German Volkswagen - his own vision - which was now conquering the world in its hundreds of thousands and within a few years in its millions.

In 1951 Josef Ganz decided to leave the old world behind and boarded an ocean liner to Australia. For some years he worked there for General Motors - Holden, but became almost bedridden after a series of heart attacks in the early 1960s. Despite some attempts to restore his name, it was too little too late. Josef Ganz died in obscurity in Australia in 1967, his legacy known and admired by all but his name forgotten. His desk lay full of evidence for his bizarre life story that he so desperately wanted to be told.



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TSNAPCRACKLEPOP 01-15-2010 01:07 PM

those old square skoda would make a mean looking roadster!!

tchanson 01-15-2010 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by island911 (Post 5128012)
Paul Jaray was a Hungarian engineer who was big into Aero concerns. ..form follow function.

Randy's pic is a CAD model of the 1922 patent of Paul Jaray's early work. Variations made their way to other cars, like the Tatra.



Which, oddly enough, is why I posted the Tatra above in response to Randy's initial "look familiar?" question.



http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1263594094.jpg






Tim

island911 01-15-2010 01:37 PM

the other picts related to the OP'

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1263594800.jpg


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1263594852.jpg


and for more "Volkswagen/Porsche" (read: Tatra) design pictures....

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1263594918.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1263594931.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1263594942.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1263594962.jpg


From http://www.tatraplan.co.uk/ <-- a really great site.

TSNAPCRACKLEPOP 01-15-2010 02:07 PM

found this guy on the link on the restored garage thread

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nice work...........was the hoist the original one?.........and did you reposition it as it looks like there is more roomin front of it from before..........all in all very impressive............by all means, more pics...........


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dd74 01-15-2010 02:11 PM

Island, does Randy know you gave away the answer on his thread? Or were you actually answering? :D

At any rate, that's a cool little car. Is it new, old, vintage? Great body style.

herr_oberst 01-15-2010 07:54 PM

hmmm....


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1263617684.jpg

Steve Carlton 01-15-2010 08:14 PM

Nice!

tchanson 01-15-2010 08:17 PM

Perfect!

I await the animation, Herr Ledwinka.





Tim

herr_oberst 01-15-2010 08:30 PM

The animation will have to wait until my scriptwriting skills improve.

RWebb 01-15-2010 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dd74 (Post 5128109)
Island, does Randy know you gave away the answer on his thread? Or were you actually answering? :D

At any rate, that's a cool little car. Is it new, old, vintage? Great body style.

that's fine - the idea was to answer

pwd72s 01-15-2010 10:12 PM

Me too...a distorted Renault Dauphine. Remember the balloons in the ads?

targa911S 01-16-2010 05:31 AM

The guy that bought my 911S targa has a Tatra too. Kinda sweet in a funky way.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1263652287.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1263652314.jpg

Reproperson 04-12-2012 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by island911 (Post 5128074)

Both these pictures were from some CG representations of some proposals for VW's based on Josef Ganz chassis for his Standard Superior (Top pic). That body shell design was by Paul Jaray.

Here is an alternate shell design

http://www.reprodyne.com/JarayAlternateShell.jpg




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