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KarlCarrera 02-12-2010 05:29 PM

Tim, your right. Accidents do happen.

Never done auto racing, (cepting' fast go-carts),.... have a dear young friend who's a rodeo clown, (now that's a bull fighter), and have done the ski racing.

You do accept the consequences of the sport.

Nothing can be regulated out, well I guess it could, but we'd all be wrapped in pillows, laying in bed. (Check out the OSHA cowboy)

I was just suggesting that someone could have done the math, and increased the height of the banking or increased the radius of the turn (maybe lengthened the course) in anticipation of the achievable speed and technological advancements with this sport.

just .02

Karl
88 Targa

maxnine11 02-12-2010 05:34 PM

from the news wire:

The FIL, the international governing body for luge, said that out of 2,250 training runs the track had a crash percentage of three per-cent - not out of line with most courses around the world.

Rusty Heap 02-12-2010 05:48 PM

Rick V, please review your Avatar and check shock value at the door.

Dave L 02-12-2010 05:51 PM

crash sure, but I cant find (google) any other deaths in luge, I think thats more of the issue.

TheMentat 02-12-2010 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carambola (Post 5182242)
he came down off the turn and almost T-boned the inside of the turn. shame the kid died. i assume the quick fix would be to raise the elevation of the walls coming out of that final turn.

Graphic Video: Olympic Luger Thrown From Sled, Dies - CBS News Video

yuck!

To be fair to the track designers, I think it is extremely rare that competitors get flung from he track like that. Padding those posts would be like hanging a tire barrier to the pedestrian overpass on an auto racing circuit.

Dave L 02-12-2010 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Hancock (Post 5182288)
Tragic accidents happen in all aspects of life. I can't stand hearing people playing the blame game every time something bad happens in the world. Sports like motorsport racing, bull riding, whitewater kayaking, ski racing etc are dangerous sports/hobbies. If I choose to partake, I do so at my own risk. :cool:

I dont think blame should be dealt out but I do think they should learn from the incident and work to prevent any further injuries or deaths. My initial though was to add glass like they have in hockey rinks.

Your post caused me to pause and think. I have hit a tree on my snowboard brusing the entire back side of my leg from just above the knee up to my ass. I have hung upside down in my kayak in class IV whitewater bouncing my head off rocks and have knocked myself out moutain biking. I could take up chess but I choose to do what I do because I enjoy it. I am sure that it would be the same for the Georgian luger, he did what he did because it was his passion and he most likely devoted his life to luge. While obviously tragic, he died doing something he loved.

island911 02-12-2010 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jyl (Post 5182361)
Would you place big steel poles in the runout area after an F1 turn? The sport is inherently dangerous, but it shouldn't be made more dangerous by faulty track design.

Wow. Would you be so quick to judge the design if Toyota built it?

Anyway, I was shocked to see the freak mode ...where the the guy got launched UP and out. --generally, all their momentum keeps them in the chute.

Very sad. All the hand wringing will continue. :(

Noah930 02-12-2010 06:18 PM

Christ that's awful video. Reminds me of Jeff Krosnoff. RIP.

dhrcr911s 02-12-2010 06:25 PM

Jeff Krosnoff and Greg Moore.. RIP...

My first thought is that they will hang "b-net", as used in the Alpine Skiing disciplines, along that stretch of the track and let em run.

A930Rocket 02-12-2010 06:36 PM

My brother has been involved with the luge for 30 years and not seen a serious problem. He's been to every olympics since 1980 and is in Vancouver now.

It's definately a dangerous sport and not for the faint of heart. He's getting back to me after the opening ceremonies, but the death of the competitor has everyone in the luge community really shook up.

911pcars 02-12-2010 06:36 PM

"He died doing what he loved"

Please. Everybody loves sex too, right? Would it be worth it if a tree suddenly strikes your face at 100 mph? To some, maybe.

When creating an artificial sports arena, the objective is to produce a challenging course while minimizing unexpected, life-threatening hazards - as opposed to a sports arena that involves natural terrain and the inherent risks posed by those surroundings. Luge racing is dangerous enough as it is. A steel pole situated close to a 90mph luge corner sounds like not enough thought was devoted to this possibility, among other possibilities.

MHO,
Sherwood

Dave L 02-12-2010 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 911pcars (Post 5182477)
"He died doing what he loved"

Please. Everybody loves sex too, right? Would it be worth it if you had a heart attack or stroke? To some, maybe.

Life is a risky venture, things happen

s_morrison57 02-12-2010 06:54 PM

I'm surprised that the other racers have not complained about the speeds at the track, it was built with 135KPH as a top speed , 155 has been clocked already. Pretty stupid place for steel poles, you'd think there would be people to check on these things

cstreit 02-12-2010 07:12 PM

A simple catch wall to keep people from getting flung out like that would fix it.

That's just senseless that they wouldn't design safety runoff at those speeds like they do on racetracks...

A930Rocket 02-13-2010 02:31 AM

My brother says the track is too fast and dangerous. They are working on a solution and don't know if they will race tomorrow.

widgeon13 02-13-2010 03:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cstreit (Post 5182526)
A simple catch wall to keep people from getting flung out like that would fix it.

That's just senseless that they wouldn't design safety runoff at those speeds like they do on racetracks...

I agree completely! Very sad and completely unnecessary. Fastest track in the world, they wanted someone to break the 100 MPH mark on that track. Senseless stupidity. It would have been simply a matter of starting the race at a lower point on the track and that young man would most likely be alive to compete today.

Rick V 02-13-2010 04:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rusty Heap (Post 5182398)
Rick V, please review your Avatar and check shock value at the door.

Discuss that with Stijn VanDamme.:D

berettafan 02-13-2010 05:12 AM

agree it is very bad taste to post/run these videos. refuse to watch.

1990C4S 02-13-2010 05:42 AM

Apparently there was an interview with a luge coach who suggested the track was too technically difficult for the less skilled sliders. This deceased's name was specifically mentioned.

It appears to me that:

- the design of the 'sun block' was flawed, with steel columns too close to the track
- the design of the track in that area was flawed (lacks containment)
- the course might be too much for some of the participants, new world speed records are/were expected

Let me loose in a Formula 1 car and I would expect a similar outcome. This is a dangerous sport, not all competitors are at the same level.

widgeon13 02-13-2010 07:40 AM

I'm convinced they say it is graphic just to get the perverts to watch!


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