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emcon5 02-17-2010 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Danimal16 (Post 5190054)
Actually, the field and rack grade are not servicable condition. The Service Grade meets that standard.

From the CMP site:

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"Each M1 Garand rifle sold by CMP is an authentic U.S. Government rifle that has been inspected, headspaced, repaired if necessary, and test fired for function"
To me that is servicable.

tabs 02-17-2010 12:24 PM

Look or HIGH SN Garands...check the barrel date and see if the SN and Barrel date match up...

Garands from roughly 5,8xx,xxx - 6,0xx,xxx SN (the end of the HR & Int Harv SN range) were basically one offs from Springfield...built as Trophy, Match, Presentation, speciality rifles... Ironically they don't command as much money as the WW2 issue rifles...the feeling is that they did not see service during the war..they will usually be in good orginial parts condition when found..The last Garands built were made in 1957.

The National March Garands were first introduced roughly at the end of 1953...and are known as Type 1's...the only thng to denote them is the NM on the left side of barrel by the muzzle..again the barrel date has to roughly match the SN range date..if you should find one of those let me know as I am interested.

The Type II NM Garands ...had what I would call a NM parts group...these guns were basically reworked TYPE I's ..the barrel date on these will be 1962 or 1963...

Each shooting team would send their guns back to the arsenal at the end of the season to be reconditioned...

Now if you want to step off into the 1903 Springfield world....thats a whole different can of worms all together...

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jpachard 02-17-2010 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by tabs (Post 5190568)
Look or HIGH SN Garands...check the barrel date and see if the SN and Barrel date match up...

Garands from roughly 5,8xx,xxx - 6,0xx,xxx SN (the end of the HR & Int Harv SN range) were basically one offs from Springfield...built as Trophy, Match, Presentation, speciality rifles... Ironically they don't command as much money as the WW2 issue rifles...the feeling is that they did not see service during the war..they will usually be in good orginial parts condition when found..The last Garands built were made in 1957.

The National March Garands were first introduced roughly at the end of 1953...and are known as Type 1's...the only thng to denote them is the NM on the left side of barrel by the muzzle..again the barrel date has to roughly match the SN range date..if you should find one of those let me know as I am interested.

The Type II NM Garands ...had what I would call a NM parts group...these guns were basically reworked TYPE I's ..the barrel date on these will be 1962 or 1963...

Each shooting team would send their guns back to the arsenal at the end of the season to be reconditioned...

Now if you want to step off into the 1903 Springfield world....thats a whole different can of worms all together...

Actually, I have a 7,XXX,XXX one made by Springfield very recently but they no longer list them on their website. I don't know when they discontinued this series.

emcon5 02-17-2010 02:21 PM

Springfield Armory doesn't have a web site, it closed in 1968. The company currently using the name is not who we are talking (or give a ****) about.

jpachard 02-17-2010 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by emcon5 (Post 5190807)
Springfield Armory doesn't have a web site, it closed in 1968. The company currently using the name is not who we are talking (or give a ****) about.

Wow, someone needs a hug:) Sorry I brought it up. I'm well aware of what Springfield Armory is, was just there a few weeks ago and they do have a website.

http://www.nps.gov/spar/index.htm

red-beard 02-17-2010 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Scuba Steve (Post 5189679)
I like what I see on the M1 sales page... anyone familiar with the service grade rifles?

I bought one about 2 years ago. It was in a lot better condition than what they said on the web page.

on2wheels52 02-17-2010 03:52 PM

I've been trying to move one for $400 with no takers yet. Korean import SA, not much barrell left. You'd think everyone in their army put a 1000 rounds through it.
Jim

emcon5 02-17-2010 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jpachard (Post 5190818)
I'm well aware of what Springfield Armory is, was just there a few weeks ago

And they made your 7,XXX,XXX S/N M1 "very recently" did they?

And this is the website you were referring to when you said "but they no longer list them on their website."?

jpachard 02-17-2010 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by emcon5 (Post 5191007)
And they made your 7,XXX,XXX S/N M1 "very recently" did they?



And this is the website you were referring to when you said "but they no longer list them on their website."?

Wow, you do really need a hug, lighten up:) sheesh.....

I know that the company that is/was making them now is in Illinois and that the original SA is in MA which is where I went a few weeks ago, have you ever been?

All I was asking in my original post is if they are still making them, they being Springfield in Illinois.

Danimal16 02-17-2010 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by emcon5 (Post 5190408)
From the CMP site:



To me that is servicable.


Read the Army tech manuals on what is considered servicable and note that the CMP does not state that the rack and field grade are "service" grade. Not merely symantics but the buts to nuts definition. There is a huge difference with a shot out muzzle and a TE over 5 or 8. Having shot just about all of these ranges of M1s you will notice a big difference in the Servicability when you poke out past 200 yards.

Danimal16 02-17-2010 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by aways (Post 5190225)
Thanks for the recommendation. I noticed hat in the "field grade", the Winchester model
(WRA) is $200 more than the Springfield (SA) model. Is the WRA just better, or more rare?

The Service grade SA for $595 looks maybe to be the best deal?

Less WRAs were made during WWII.

The Service Grade SA is one of the best bang for the bucks. TE under 5 and a tight muzzle.

Danimal16 02-17-2010 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DAEpperson (Post 5190287)
Uh oh... I have fired at least 500 rounds of modern ammo in mine.

Be very careful to use M2 spec ammo or you can bend the op rod. I learned this lesson many years ago.

Danimal16 02-17-2010 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jpachard (Post 5190769)
Actually, I have a 7,XXX,XXX one made by Springfield very recently but they no longer list them on their website. I don't know when they discontinued this series.

That rifle is more than likely a commercial SA as the real Springfield Armory SN range did not go into the 7 million.

Check Scott Duffs references.

Danimal16 02-17-2010 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by on2wheels52 (Post 5190991)
I've been trying to move one for $400 with no takers yet. Korean import SA, not much barrell left. You'd think everyone in their army put a 1000 rounds through it.
Jim

Get the criterian barrel from the CMP and you will have a far better rifle. Also, does the barrel have a name stamped on the side like "Blue Ridge"?

legion 02-17-2010 05:53 PM

Stupid question time:

Can you build an M1 or M14 yourself like you can build an AR from all aftermarket parts?

Scuba Steve 02-17-2010 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by red-beard (Post 5190922)
I bought one about 2 years ago. It was in a lot better condition than what they said on the web page.

Thank you! I thought the question would be lost out there and was getting ready to ask again.

If the cash will be there I may have my first real spoon purchase. Right now I have about the worst kind that anyone can have. A RG and Raven Arms .25 inherited from my grandma. As far as I can tell the RG doesn't even come apart for cleaning.

on2wheels52 02-17-2010 07:34 PM

"Raven Arms .25 inherited from my grandma"
I remember in the mid-80's when I took over the pawnshop they wholesaled for $33 or 3 @ $30.
I hate the term "saturday nite special" but if such a thing exists, RG made one. A classic in a wierd way, I haven't seen one in years. Probably not many listed on Gunbroker.
Jim

Scuba Steve 02-17-2010 09:07 PM

They have more sentimental value than anything else. My grandma probably kept one or both in the desk at the apartment complex she managed. It wasn't the greatest place Commerce, TX had to offer.

I'd consider firing the Raven Arms one, since I took it apart, cleaned, oiled and inspected it and everything checked out. Not a chance with the RG since it looks like it's made from the same stuff Matchbox cars are made of! If there's any way to take the thing apart I'd love to read about it because two of us never could figure it out.

Danimal16 02-18-2010 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by legion (Post 5191228)
Stupid question time:

Can you build an M1 or M14 yourself like you can build an AR from all aftermarket parts?

Yes. Probably a lot easier that a black rifle. Good parts have gotten very expensive.


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