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It's okay though, now we've got the government involved. Everything will be fine.

Given the choice for schools to be run by Government or by Corporations, which would you choose?

Government: owned by lobbyists representing Corporations

Corporations: short term profit dictates service and performance

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Originally Posted by Tobra (Post 5250062)

Soda pop with real sugar does taste better, I don't drink a lot of it, and did not think it would matter, but it does.

Remember "New Coke"?

Well when stopped making it and re-introduced "Classic Coke", that was when they went to 100% HFCS.

They needed people to forget what the "real thing" tasted like..

Make your own in a few minutes, just like the rib joints do. Common ingrediants found in most kitchens.

Simple barbeque sauce for a small batch:

In a small saucepan over medium low heat combine:
2 tablespoons butter, melted, then:
1/4 cup worcestershire sauce, 1/4 cup vinegar, 1/4 cup water, 1/4 cup brown sugar, 1/4 cup catsup, a little salt. simmer 10 minutes. done.

It is easily altered to spicy by adding finely minced onion, crushed and minced garlic(1 or 2 cloves), a tablespoon of chili powder and maybe a teaspoon of Tabasco or cayenne pepper. You can make it sweeter with more catsup and sugar. Substitute olive oil for butter to go light.

Make sauce for chicken by using some soy sauce and ground ginger instead of chili and Tobasco.

Screw Kraft, your sauce will be better than the bottled stuff, and will cost about fifty cents vs $2.99 at Safeway. If you are going to the trouble of making ribs or pulled pork, go the extra little bit and make your own, then you get total bragging rights over the outcome.

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Originally Posted by The Gaijin (Post 5250442)

Remember "New Coke"?

Well when stopped making it and re-introduced "Classic Coke", that was when they went to 100% HFCS.

They needed people to forget what the "real thing" tasted like..

I'm not sure if you have your facts right here. I find it hard to believe that a corporation would introduce a new product that was worse than the old product so that they could change and cheapen the old product tricking loyal consumers just to increase profit.

that doesn't make sense.

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Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa (Post 5249622)

I got some Famous Dave's Original Recipe, look at the label, sure enough, that's the first ingredient. Original recipe?:confused::rolleyes:

I wrote to them saying I won't be buying their product any more, that there are better alternatives to HFCS-based "original recipe" :rolleyes: BBQ sauces.

Just received this email:

Good Morning Shaun,

The introduction of HFCS into Dave's sauce occurred in 1994 when Dave opened
his first restaurant. HFCS provides a lower cost sweetener versus sugar.
In the marketplace HFCS is widely used and accepted as a sweetener and is
across a wide range of food and beverage products.

The debate regarding the use of HFCS has increased over the past few years.
We are told that there is no problem using HFCS, however you are correct
that there is a growing percentage of people whom will pay more for non-HFCS
product.

We have considered developing our sauce without this item to satisfy those
customers. At this time we have not begun that process, however it is
something that is probably more likely to happen than not. I suggest you
join our Que Club newsletter which is sent out via e-mail about 10 times a
year. In the newsletter we will discuss new items as well as online
specials and recipe ideas.

Thank you for your e-mail,
April Lysne

Perhaps we should send this over to the Whiners' Forum too. So the Corporationists can pat each other on the back for dismissing information that wasn't provided by industry representatives.

Sugar is actually rated medium on the glycemic index and is easily broken down. HFCS is way up at the top and as stated by others not processed well by the body. It's cheap so it's been widely adopted. We all need to read the labels on the items we buy carefully. I'm always astounded by the amount of sweetener in foods and particularly sauces.

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Originally Posted by gmeteer (Post 5250453)

he is trying to delete hfcs....better check the list on that catsup there....maybe change to pureeing your own tomatos...other than that your batch is simular to mine but i dont use exact measurements....and i would sub beer, wine, or apple cider/juice for the water and would only use apple cider vinager in bbq sauce

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Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa (Post 5250455)

fixed it for you:D

LOL, thanks Ted!!!!!!!!!!!!! sometimes you gotta keep'em thinking. :D

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Originally Posted by campbellcj (Post 5248818)

One thing we noticed wile traveling abroad is that candy and drinks made with actual sugar taste better than the same product with HFCS. Sugar-sweetened M&M's were obviously superior.

lots of folks will drive across town to get Mexican Cokes - they still use sugar

Quit buying and eating processed foods. Cook your meals from scratch. Problem solved.

You'll find it tastes better, too.

JR

PS: Real barbecue needs no sauce...

OK, I'll concede that all of you have detested HFCS for a long time, and aren't just jumping on the current bandwagon because of recent stories in the liberal media telling you what to eat and not to eat.
And I'll concede none of you have been brainwashed by watching food inc.
And I'll concede that hating HFCS isn't just the latest yuppie trend and isn't the newest "cool" thing to talk about until the next fad shows up.
And I'll concede that the fact that I don't recall reading about anyone's aversion to HFCS on this board until very recently was a coincidence.
And I'll concede that the fact that a search of this forum turned up scant little in the way of people speaking negatively of HFCS until very recently was simply another coincidence.

I don't care what you eat as long as I get the same courtesy.
But I get irked when people jump on bandwagons because someone told them to, which apparently didn't happen here in this case. ;)

I'll just sit back and wait for south park to do a parody of how HFCS is going to kill everyone in town. Should be any day now.

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Originally Posted by gmeteer (Post 5250453)

And then add some high fructose corn syrup to give it that final ahhhhh. ;)

Drink a regular Mt Dew and then drink a "throw back" Mt Dew. The taste difference alone is enough to turn me off from the crap. That being said I have always thought that stuff was evil, but it wasn't until recently that they have started to publish studies that say it is. It is the hydrogenated oil of 2010.

BTW, if it is so cheap why do they not use it everywhere else in the world? Maybe we need to export it more.

The reason it is so cheap is all the farm credits. The government subsidizes corn production in a major way. The corn lobby is very strong.

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Originally Posted by Superman (Post 5250673)

Perhaps we should send this over to the Whiners' Forum too. So the Corporationists can pat each other on the back for dismissing information that wasn't provided by industry representatives.

You have to watch what you feed them guys, they will just tear into fresh meat like animals.;)

Fat people everywhere in the USA, doesn't Europe ban the stuff?

Found it:
http://hfcs.wordpress.com/about/

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High Fructose Corn Syrup is banned in Europe as part of a long list of genetically modified foods made in the US, and Mexico is just beginning to allow the flow of HFCS across its border as part of the NAFTA agreements.

Princeton University - A sweet problem: Princeton researchers find that high-fructose corn syrup prompts considerably more weight gain

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A Princeton University research team has demonstrated that all sweeteners are not equal when it comes to weight gain: Rats with access to high-fructose corn syrup gained significantly more weight than those with access to table sugar, even when their overall caloric intake was the same.

In addition to causing significant weight gain in lab animals, long-term consumption of high-fructose corn syrup also led to abnormal increases in body fat, especially in the abdomen, and a rise in circulating blood fats called triglycerides. The researchers say the work sheds light on the factors contributing to obesity trends in the United States.

"Some people have claimed that high-fructose corn syrup is no different than other sweeteners when it comes to weight gain and obesity, but our results make it clear that this just isn't true, at least under the conditions of our tests," said psychology professor Bart Hoebel, who specializes in the neuroscience of appetite, weight and sugar addiction. "When rats are drinking high-fructose corn syrup at levels well below those in soda pop, they're becoming obese -- every single one, across the board. Even when rats are fed a high-fat diet, you don't see this; they don't all gain extra weight."

In results published online March 18 by the journal Pharmacology, Biochemistry and Behavior, the researchers from the Department of Psychology and the Princeton Neuroscience Institute reported on two experiments investigating the link between the consumption of high-fructose corn syrup and obesity.

The first study showed that male rats given water sweetened with high-fructose corn syrup in addition to a standard diet of rat chow gained much more weight than male rats that received water sweetened with table sugar, or sucrose, in conjunction with the standard diet. The concentration of sugar in the sucrose solution was the same as is found in some commercial soft drinks, while the high-fructose corn syrup solution was half as concentrated as most sodas.

The second experiment -- the first long-term study of the effects of high-fructose corn syrup consumption on obesity in lab animals -- monitored weight gain, body fat and triglyceride levels in rats with access to high-fructose corn syrup over a period of six months. Compared to animals eating only rat chow, rats on a diet rich in high-fructose corn syrup showed characteristic signs of a dangerous condition known in humans as the metabolic syndrome, including abnormal weight gain, significant increases in circulating triglycerides and augmented fat deposition, especially visceral fat around the belly. Male rats in particular ballooned in size: Animals with access to high-fructose corn syrup gained 48 percent more weight than those eating a normal diet.

"These rats aren't just getting fat; they're demonstrating characteristics of obesity, including substantial increases in abdominal fat and circulating triglycerides," said Princeton graduate student Miriam Bocarsly. "In humans, these same characteristics are known risk factors for high blood pressure, coronary artery disease, cancer and diabetes." In addition to Hoebel and Bocarsly, the research team included Princeton undergraduate Elyse Powell and visiting research associate Nicole Avena, who was affiliated with Rockefeller University during the study and is now on the faculty at the University of Florida. The Princeton researchers note that they do not know yet why high-fructose corn syrup fed to rats in their study generated more triglycerides, and more body fat that resulted in obesity.

High-fructose corn syrup and sucrose are both compounds that contain the simple sugars fructose and glucose, but there at least two clear differences between them. First, sucrose is composed of equal amounts of the two simple sugars -- it is 50 percent fructose and 50 percent glucose -- but the typical high-fructose corn syrup used in this study features a slightly imbalanced ratio, containing 55 percent fructose and 42 percent glucose. Larger sugar molecules called higher saccharides make up the remaining 3 percent of the sweetener. Second, as a result of the manufacturing process for high-fructose corn syrup, the fructose molecules in the sweetener are free and unbound, ready for absorption and utilization. In contrast, every fructose molecule in sucrose that comes from cane sugar or beet sugar is bound to a corresponding glucose molecule and must go through an extra metabolic step before it can be utilized.

This creates a fascinating puzzle. The rats in the Princeton study became obese by drinking high-fructose corn syrup, but not by drinking sucrose. The critical differences in appetite, metabolism and gene expression that underlie this phenomenon are yet to be discovered, but may relate to the fact that excess fructose is being metabolized to produce fat, while glucose is largely being processed for energy or stored as a carbohydrate, called glycogen, in the liver and muscles.

In the 40 years since the introduction of high-fructose corn syrup as a cost-effective sweetener in the American diet, rates of obesity in the U.S. have skyrocketed, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. In 1970, around 15 percent of the U.S. population met the definition for obesity; today, roughly one-third of the American adults are considered obese, the CDC reported. High-fructose corn syrup is found in a wide range of foods and beverages, including fruit juice, soda, cereal, bread, yogurt, ketchup and mayonnaise. On average, Americans consume 60 pounds of the sweetener per person every year.

"Our findings lend support to the theory that the excessive consumption of high-fructose corn syrup found in many beverages may be an important factor in the obesity epidemic," Avena said.

The new research complements previous work led by Hoebel and Avena demonstrating that sucrose can be addictive, having effects on the brain similar to some drugs of abuse.

In the future, the team intends to explore how the animals respond to the consumption of high-fructose corn syrup in conjunction with a high-fat diet -- the equivalent of a typical fast-food meal containing a hamburger, fries and soda -- and whether excessive high-fructose corn syrup consumption contributes to the diseases associated with obesity. Another step will be to study how fructose affects brain function in the control of appetite.

The research was supported by the U.S. Public Health Service.

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Originally Posted by emcon5 (Post 5255680)

Princeton University - A sweet problem: Princeton researchers find that high-fructose corn syrup prompts considerably more weight gain

You would think that studies like this would have been done 40-50 years ago.

All I can say is WOW, to little to late.