Panamera recall

[crustychief]

At least it wasn't for unintended acceleration by floor mat.

Porsche recalls all Panameras in embarrassing move - Yahoo! News
Porsche recalls all Panameras in embarrassing move
Reuters


Porsche recalls all Panameras in embarrassing move Reuters – Lettering for Panamera and Cayenne cars are pictured at the final production unit at the Porsche plant …
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FRANKFURT (Reuters) – Performance sports car maker Porsche AG's sterling reputation for quality took a severe dent on Tuesday, when it recalled every Panamera it built only months after the model line was launched to much fanfare.

The announcement comes on the heels of a quality scandal at Toyota and serves as a bitter pill for Michael Macht, who headed up production before being named the brand's chief executive late in July.

The Panamera grand tourer was supposed to catapult Porsche to new levels of growth and help the brand steal customers away from such four-door coupes as the Maserati Quattroporte or Mercedes-Benz CLS.

In recent years, Porsche has repeatedly received top marks from J.D. Power for its industry-leading quality benchmarked in the research and consulting firm's annual benchmark surveys.

Porsche said all 11,300 Panameras would be brought to the mechanic to fix possible faulty seatbelt tensioners.

European automotive holding Porsche SE controls 51 percent of Porsche AG, with the remainder held by Volkswagen.

The news could prompt VW to take action. Martin Winterkorn, who serves as CEO of both Volkswagen and Porsche SE has repeatedly said that the better a brand performs, the more autonomy it gains within the overall group.

Volkswagen's reputation is also indirectly at stake, since its Hanover plant supplies the Panamera's painted bodies-in-white for assembly in Porsche's Leipzig plant.

(Reporting by Christiaan Hetzner and Hendrik Sackmann in Stuttgart)

[legion]

I think the real story here is that 11,300 people have bought Panameras.

[m21sniper]

Or that Panamera bodies are built in VW plants.

[island911]

"to fix possible faulty seatbelt tensioners." --oh NOoooo . .. . not possible faulty seatbelt tensioners...

Aren't all Porsches now built at VW owned factories? ...and by VW employees?

[m21sniper]

Not mine.

Herr 928 is sitting out back right now in my drive way, calling to me in siren songs of bliss.

[TechnoViking]

A Panamera turbo went by me like I was standing still at the track last weekend. And I was riding in a well-driven 993.

The look is growing on me. Just like the Cayenne. If I had the jack, I'd buy a Panamera for sure.

[island911]

The people who get upset about the Panamera are generally those who put over 90% of value in how they car makes them look. Those people can't figure out the 'identity' of the Pana-beast, like they can for say, a BMW (or other cartoonish body designs out now. --Viper, Vette, RAM...) Anyway, that vanilla-identity really bothers them. Rather than caring anything about how well the car gets them from point A to point B they fixate on the value of the 'look' ...or lack there of.

For me, a car can have whatever "identity". ...I don't really care much if it's 'look' is a Pinto, Pacer, or P-car... It needs to be a good driver first. A well performing car with a plain brown wrapper has appeal to me. I suppose that's why both my 911 & Cayenne are both beige. --a degree of stealth, out on the road.

[m21sniper]

The car is ugly. It's really just that simple.

[mossguy]

Island, you don't seem to be a beige kind of guy.

Best,
Tom

[kach22i]

You know what else is beige?

'identity' of the Pana-beast

That's a good description.

[island911]

Sarah Palin? ....hoovercraft?

[kach22i]

Hey, if I can get teased about phone dials on a 911, you can take some ribbing over beige.

[island911]

When I posted, above, all that I saw in your post was "You know what else is beige?" ...seemed open-ended.

Anyway, you are kind of making my point; the Pana styling is not screaming SuperCar like so many loudly styled (slower) cars out there. For some, there is value in that.

[island911]

Originally Posted by m21sniper

The car is ugly. It's really just that simple.

What was that FUgly black performance car that you posted about a few years back? ...a US make, iirc.

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by island911

When I posted, above, all that I saw in your post was "You know what else is beige?" ...seemed open-ended.

Anyway, you are kind of making my point; the Pana styling is not screaming SuperCar like so many loudly styled (slower) cars out there. For some, there is value in that.

Good point, there is value in that, a certain market segment.

It's not that bad looking in real life, I might even get used to it.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by island911

The people who get upset about the Panamera are generally those who put over 90% of value in how they car makes them look. Those people can't figure out the 'identity' of the Pana-beast, like they can for say, a BMW (or other cartoonish body designs out now. --Viper, Vette, RAM...) Anyway, that vanilla-identity really bothers them. Rather than caring anything about how well the car gets them from point A to point B they fixate on the value of the 'look' ...or lack there of.

For me, a car can have whatever "identity". ...I don't really care much if it's 'look' is a Pinto, Pacer, or P-car... It needs to be a good driver first. A well performing car with a plain brown wrapper has appeal to me. I suppose that's why both my 911 & Cayenne are both beige. --a degree of stealth, out on the road.

I might more agree if you had said, ... in how the car makes them look as it sits in the driveway." And, I do agree that the Panamera lacks something in unique identity.

I say recall them because they are boring (never having been in one). Do we really need a 4-door sedan that blows by you at the track?

[cairns]

"The people who get upset about the Panamera are generally those who put over 90% of value in how they car makes them look. Those people can't figure out the 'identity' of the Pana-beast, like they can for say, a BMW (or other cartoonish body designs out now. --Viper, Vette, RAM...) Anyway, that vanilla-identity really bothers them. Rather than caring anything about how well the car gets them from point A to point B they fixate on the value of the 'look' ...or lack there of.

For me, a car can have whatever "identity". ...I don't really care much if it's 'look' is a Pinto, Pacer, or P-car... It needs to be a good driver first. A well performing car with a plain brown wrapper has appeal to me. I suppose that's why both my 911 & Cayenne are both beige. --a degree of stealth, out on the road."

I disagree. Most people care about how the car looks- not how they look in it- and attractive cars sell. And at that price range I (and a great many others I'm sure) insist on looks and performance. When you're paying that kind of money why settle for less? I wouldn't buy the Panamera (and a great many other cars with excellent performance) solely because I think they're ugly. And the Panamera is, IMO, Oprah butt ugly.

If Ferrari's looked like Pintos do you think'd have even a scintella of the mystique and desirability they possess?

Porsche started with a clean sheet of paper- and the car could have been beautiful. It looks the way it does because some guy with an oversized ego with the initials WW got involved very late in the design process and started dictating rear seat head room and room for all his golf clubs. And because Michael Mauer totally lacks the talent of an Ulrich Bez, Sergio Pininfarina or Giovanni Bertoni.

Ulrich designed the 993 you know. Now he's at Aston Martin. Making beautiful four doors.

[island911]

Originally Posted by milt

.... Do we really need a 4-door sedan that blows by you at the track?

The track performance is a good indicator as to how well the car will slice and dice whatever slab/travel condition it's put to. People with crotch-rockets know how nice it is to so easily blip on past a slow lane-hog. But they also know that doing so in the rain really sucks . . .and they are not going to be doing so with any passengers.

of course a 911 is a nice tool for many roads, but isn't super quiet or comfortable . . .esp. for more than two. My Cayenne, otoh, has made us a few trips to and from SoCal. Not only does it make little fuss about getting around whoever/whatever, it gets us there feeling as if we had only made a trip up to the store. ...fast, quiet, comfortable, non-conspicuous travel has it's merit. ...for some. YMMV

[BlueSkyJaunte]

Originally Posted by kach22i

You know what else is beige?

Peecees?

IMHO Porsche started swirling the bowl when the Boxster was released. The 996 reinforced this opinion and the Pfefferwagen cemented it.

The Panamera (and the VW snafu) is the last gurgle of a once-great car company as it goes down the drain.

[Z-man]

Originally Posted by Martin Smith

If I had the jack, I'd buy a Panamera for sure.

Then can we call you Panamera Jack?!?

-Z