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red-beard 04-29-2010 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by herr_oberst (Post 5324366)
I'm pretty sure those were just Ipod touch for 138. I may be wrong; (boy they sold out quick!)

Yep, my bad

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jyl 04-29-2010 07:31 PM

When did Flash become so beloved? I recall not so long ago, people hated web pages built with Flash. I still do, skip the animations every chance I get. I suppose that as PCs got faster, Flash pages got less irritating. But a mobile device has about as much processing power as a PC from a decade ago. Efficiency still matters on the handheld side.

stomachmonkey 04-29-2010 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jyl (Post 5324639)
When did Flash become so beloved? I recall not so long ago, people hated web pages built with Flash. I still do, skip the animations every chance I get. I suppose that as PCs got faster, Flash pages got less irritating. But a mobile device has about as much processing power as a PC from a decade ago. Efficiency still matters on the handheld side.

Dunno, I avoid using it whenever possible in my projects.

Have had an iPhone since day one and have not missed Flash content one bit.

Scuba Steve 04-29-2010 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by stomachmonkey (Post 5324674)
Dunno, I avoid using it whenever possible in my projects.

THANK YOU!!!

FWIW with all the restrictions on flash on work computers it's another annoyance not to be able to show coworkers stuff during lunch when the page relies too heavily upon flash and there's no other way to navigate.

enzo1 04-29-2010 09:42 PM

here's the reply from adobe ceo.... on ipad: "we're working with a dozens of other manufactures and their tablets" I don't think so there aren't any others, Steve Jobs will have his day with these guys just like mr. softy Highlights: The Journal’s Exclusive Interview With Adobe CEO - Digits - WSJ

EdT82SC 04-29-2010 11:01 PM

I haven't used flash since the early 2000s. I uninstalled it from my last couple PCs, and I haven't missed it at all. 98% of what flash is used for is useless, annoying, or both. The 2% that is actually good? Oh well! If Adobe hadn't made such a cr@p product I would use it. All those annoying flashing banner ads that you can't turn off drove me crazy. I know there are great plugins like noscript to allow you to enable Flash on a case by case basis, but why bother? Everything Adobe makes becomes more and more slow and bloated release after release.

So I say bravo, Steve Jobs!

EdT82SC 04-29-2010 11:14 PM

Here's what flash looks like on my computer:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1272611616.jpg

mca 04-30-2010 04:33 AM

Spend time on thefwa sometime. You will see the value it brings to the table.

Most of you that bash flash probably aren't in the biz of interactive.

Clients ask for specific things that HTML simply can't do. Flash is the proper tool.

I agree that there is a lot of garbage flash out there. Particularly flash ads - I hate them and refuse to develop them.

The same can be said about HTML programming. It all boils down to choosing the right tool for the job.

I also don't care if flash ever makes it to the iPhone or any phone. Flash is about immersive experiences - that experience would be difficult to create on a phone screen. I'd like to see it on the ipad though.

Regardless, to each his own. I am the one answering to clients' demands so I will continue to use flash.

BTW any of you work at an agency? I'd love to see your work - and would specifically like to hear your thoughts on flash.

Charleston, SC Web Site Design and Interactive Marketing - Blue Ion, LLC. (work site -got to team/Craig ... you will see my p car!)
HOOK

I did that hook site two years ago. It is a full flash site that created quite a buzz. New clients came pouring in after it won Communication Arts site of the day and was mentioned in Smashing magazine. Not bragging ... just validating the desire that clients have to separate themselves from the rest of the pack. FWIW ... the hook site is a slight cpu hog. It was one of the first true 3D sites built using Papervision 3D. Over the last two years Papervision 3D has greatly improved - if I rebuilt that same site today I could keep the cpu to around 20%.

Sapporo Guy 04-30-2010 09:13 AM

Ever since I started using clicktoflash my macbook pro doesn't:
give me a warm-hot lap
nor do I have to hear my fans do the turbo spin
nor do I have to wait as long for a page to load
nor do I have to suffer from as many ads (they have increased in the past month or so ...)
nor do I have to worry so much about having 50-70 tabs open
use much more than 50% of the cpu during web browsing (mca's site was pretty low key on cpu usage ...idle dropped from 83% down to about 55% on page loads) !! nice design !!

Have I lost a lot of web-ability ... not ... actually I enjoying browsing more since I have learned that flash needed to be exiled until need.

I have noticed that a few sites were gripping about loosing ad-clicks because of clicktoflash ... I do believe in ad based sites and will live with a ads splashed all over the site to enjoy a free service however, I would like a non-flash alternative.

@Stevie Jobso ...
Sure, he's an egotistical megalomaniac but he is probably just protecting himself and his company from what happened in the past.

@ apple being open
+1 on the idea that they are closed platform regarding the ipad/phone series and their GUI for OSX. Otherwise ... they have their fingers in various standards and have added back to the community in some form or to some extent.


@ adobe and apple
Why did it take Adobe 6 system releases before going native code on OSX? Sure, 6 is a little over board so let's cut it down to 3 - since 10.0 was a dying gasp measure and everybody was wondering how long apple had left, 1 release benefit for moving from PPC MacOS to PPC OS X and 1 release benefit for moving from PPC OSX to Intel OSX ... so ???

How about 10 years for Adobe to move to native code?
Ok, like the above Apple needs to own up for its own share and give some slack to Adobe for adopting in Macromedia software ... However, Adobe does know that the CS sweet is the bread and butter for many Mac users! Why the delay?

What about iphone/ipod OS 1.0 ??? Why didn't Adobe start complaining then?

There is a a lot going on between these 2 companies that we don't know about. We obviously only see Steve Jobs giving the finger to Adobe but we should remember that Adobe for the past 10 years dragged their feet to go fully native on Apple's platform.

@ What if? Apple waged war on Adobe.
I hate to say this but Adobe would loose.
Apple would loose some users in the short term but Apple would survive.
What about CS?
... I'd miss InDesign. But could deal with finding solutions for illustrator and PS.

@ Apple's closed development policy
Actually from what I've read, Apple has a really decent program.
- $100 buy-in (compared to $700 just for a program, or thousand of dollars for other game consoles)
- upon group acceptance access to millions of potential customers, competitive self space, and even sales for a reasonable processing fee
- only drawback ... use our objective C at runtime or else.


But that brings up the idea ...
how do you compare flash to C ?
how do you compare flash to HTML ?

From what I've seen and used, flash is awesome in a web browser based environment or even a simple pc application and the major problems I've had with flash can probably go back to the programer ... even with that said, why does that make it a god given right to be added to somebody else's platform?


Or am I missing something?

enzo1 04-30-2010 09:28 AM

HTML5 Video
There’s been a lot of posting about video and video formats on the web recently. This is a good opportunity to talk about Microsoft’s point of view.

The future of the web is HTML5. Microsoft is deeply engaged in the HTML5 process with the W3C. HTML5 will be very important in advancing rich, interactive web applications and site design. The HTML5 specification describes video support without specifying a particular video format. We think H.264 is an excellent format. In its HTML5 support, IE9 will support playback of H.264 video only.

H.264 is an industry standard, with broad and strong hardware support. Because of this standardization, you can easily take what you record on a typical consumer video camera, put it on the web, and have it play in a web browser on any operating system or device with H.264 support (e.g. a PC with Windows 7). Recently, we publicly showed IE9 playing H.264-encoded video from YouTube. You can read about the benefits of hardware acceleration here, or see an example of the benefits at the 26:35 mark here. For all these reasons, we’re focusing our HTML5 video support on H.264.

Other codecs often come up in these discussions. The distinction between the availability of source code and the ownership of the intellectual property in that available source code is critical. Today, intellectual property rights for H.264 are broadly available through a well-defined program managed by MPEG LA. The rights to other codecs are often less clear, as has been described in the press. Of course, developers can rely on the H.264 codec and hardware acceleration support of the underlying operating system, like Windows 7, without paying any additional royalty.

Today, video on the web is predominantly Flash-based. While video may be available in other formats, the ease of accessing video using just a browser on a particular website without using Flash is a challenge for typical consumers. Flash does have some issues, particularly around reliability, security, and performance. We work closely with engineers at Adobe, sharing information about the issues we know of in ongoing technical discussions. Despite these issues, Flash remains an important part of delivering a good consumer experience on today’s web.

Dean Hachamovitch
General Manager, Internet Explorer

Published Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:52 PM by ieblog
Filed under: HTML5

enzo1 04-30-2010 09:48 AM

Pixelmator 1.6 Nucleus to go Snow Leopard only
Thursday, 22 April 2010. Posted by Saulius.

Yup, that’s right: we are moving our whole code to Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard. In fact, we already moved it a few months ago. And, boy, are we happy about that! But most important, yours truly, Mr. P., is the happiest of all.

Moving 100% to Snow Leopard not only makes the development easier and faster for us, but also it makes your favorite image editor a much better app and also an environmentally cleaner app (considering that the environment is the Mac OS X). Other reasons for the move are obvious: new technologies that we can take advantage of, old show-stopping technologies that we can get rid of, an extremely fast growing number of Snow Leopard users (our web stats are our intel), happier developers (us), and so on and on and on.

In other words, we just love developing for Mac and wish to take advantage of the best that Mac can give.

For those of you who are still running Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard, I can say that even though it is a good OS, I really hope that Pixelmator 1.6 Nucleus will encourage you to upgrade to an even better OS – Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard. Or if you can’t or don’t want to move to Snow Leopard, Pixelmator 1.5.1 Spider (still one of the best apps) will be there for you for awhile.

I just wanted to let you know about this move (which is very big, especially considering the huge number of Pixelmator users out there) so that you could prepare yourself if necessary.

P.S. Pixelmator 1.6 Nucleus development is going very well. Still a few bug fixes and minor refinements left. I sometimes tweet on Twitter about what we do and how it goes.

mca 04-30-2010 04:56 PM

Guess what?

We just finished moving our office ... 301B King Street Charleston, SC 29401. It is above the Apple store :eek:.

I plan on running down there during my lunch break and dialing up some FLASH SITES on their big screens. Hopefully the fans will turn on, crash the browser and bring the entire store to its knees!

Honestly, I've already done this a few times. The Apple alter boys actually love it. They stand in awe and eagerly anticipate sharing some beers with us and picking our brains. Maybe they don't know they are seeing flash?

I do appreciate the healthy discussion we have had thus far. Understand that I am particularly sensitive to this topic as Flash development is my livelihood. So cut me a little slack from time to time. And try not to be so quick to hop on the hate bandwagon. I have yet to see a single Mac crash at work b/c of Flash. That is 10 machines for the last 5 years. They all seem to perform exceptionally well. Just saying ...

Lastly, I pray that the web experience doesn't return to plain vanilla. I look forward to the capabilities of HTML5. There is some exciting stuff ahead of us. I am particularly interested in combining the powers of Flash and HTML5. It is going to be something incredible.

Cheers all! Until next time!

enzo1 04-30-2010 09:23 PM

cool

Scuba Steve 04-30-2010 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mca (Post 5326249)
We just finished moving our office ... 301B King Street Charleston, SC 29401. It is above the Apple store :eek:.

Wait, whoa... there's an Apple Store in Charleston? Very good to know... I've wondered at times about what we have available where I live now vs. what's over there.

OT but I can't wait to go check the area out in 2 weeks!:)

Sapporo Guy 05-01-2010 12:31 AM

MCA, I too agree, I haven't seen a Mac crash because of flash but it does cause various problems for the browser ... ending up in loosing several open windows and a multitude of tabs ...

I am not basing my judgement on what has been on the web beyond the idea of using clicktoflash the rest comes from watching the activity monitor.

In regards to your livelihood I do feel for you, but that is for any industry that needs to be 1-step ahead of the times.

Even though it is not as advanced jquery/etc are slowly catching up ...

Yes, I do agree, there are some very exciting times coming ahead for what can be done on the web :)

enzo1 05-01-2010 08:21 PM

Uh,Oh Apple is in trouble now... Adobe erases 0.01% of iPhone userbase in Flash revenge ploy : Beatweek Magazine

idontknow 05-01-2010 09:31 PM

This is starting to sound more and more like marketing ploys by apple. Between this, the Ogg theora spat, Apple/Google clashes, OS-X10.7 locked down to 3rd parties (maybe?), and the Iphone 4.0 fumble, I've never seen so many open discussions buy apple and specifically Steve Jobs how they are right and have been victims of the evil world out there.

idontknow 05-01-2010 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by enzo1 (Post 5327940)

Wow talk about distorting the message you're trying to convey.

From your same reference: Microsoft backs up Apple on Flash : Beatweek Magazine

From reuters: Microsoft echoes Apple view on Adobe's Flash | Reuters

mca 05-02-2010 05:08 AM

Ok ... I'll jump back in for a second. Time for some comedy.

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enzo1 05-02-2010 08:02 AM

Macromedia, the original maker of Flash, was acquired by Adobe in 2005. Luh said it was disappointing that Adobe failed to translate Macromedia’s success into a compelling mobile platform.

Read More http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/04/adobe-flash-jobs/#ixzz0mmyClcDsAdobe CEO, Ex-Adobe Engineers Weigh In on Jobs’ Flash Attack | Gadget Lab | Wired.com


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