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Non Compos Mentis
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Off the grid- Almost
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Don't give your 16-year old a BMW!
Another senseless tragedy-
A 16 year old decided it would be fun to see how fast the BMW would go on a road that parallels the runway of a local airport. Nice, long straight road...... With an S curve towards the end, with a steep drop-off into a stand of trees. He had three passengers with him. Story is they went up and down the road a few times, having fun. Last one didn't go so well. He is now dead, a teen-age girl is in a coma, and two more teens are also in the hospital. Lots of students from their high school have been gathering at the site for the last couple days. Just one moment of poor judgement, and life is changed (or ended) forever. When my daughter starts driving, she will NOT be driving anything like a BMW. And she WILL attend a driver's skills school at the track. |
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05-02-2010, 02:48 PM
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Cogito Ergo Sum
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Idiots will kill themselves in their cars regardless of the badge on the hood..... Sorry... but this could have happened in any car....
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05-02-2010, 02:50 PM
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Most unfortunate story that just keeps repeating itself. Difficult to know what to do to stop things like this.
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Back in the saddle again
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05-02-2010, 03:24 PM
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When my daughter was 16, I was tempted to give her a fast car...
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"Now, to put a water-cooled engine in the rear and to have a radiator in the front, that's not very intelligent." -Ferry Porsche (PANO, Oct. '73) (I, Paul D. have loved this quote since 1973. It will remain as long as I post here.) |
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05-02-2010, 03:36 PM
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It's not the cars fault. It's the parents. My lad is 16 and drives my 540 BMW, 944T and my 928S. He has own car, a Holden VS Commodore. Yes I let him drive my cars without me. We have been to the track several times and he has learnt how to control a car and how to avoid getting into stupid situations.
All children should learn to how drive correctly. Being able to stop, go, turn and parallel park is not driving. Learning to drift should be a mandatory part of learning to drive. Not sure about the States, but here we always see kids in trees after exiting a bend. You can see by the skid marks that they've done the old tank slapper thing. Had they learnt how to control a slide, or even better, how not to get in one in the first place, they'd probably not have crashed. Another sad story for the families involved. Might also point out that I feel my lad is safer in my German cars than most other cars.
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05-02-2010, 03:50 PM
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Perhaps a 962 would have been a better choice. It's a one seater.
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05-02-2010, 04:03 PM
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The lesson here is don't be bad/absentee/buy-stuff-to-cover-guilt parents.
good parents raise good responsible kids. good parents know their children and how much responsibility they can manage.
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05-02-2010, 04:10 PM
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Prolly why I had such problems with our daughter...In her mind, I was the stupidest guy on earth who wouldn't let her do anything...like weekends away from home with her boyfriend, etc. I heard over and over how she couldn't wait to be out of the house and "free".
When she finally left, she had no idea who had finally gained some freedom.  I must have done something right...she's now a 40 year old RN... Her first car? A 1960 slant 6 Valiant with 3 on the tree...very slow...selected because of that.
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05-02-2010, 04:20 PM
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Some of us make it, some of us don't. I would venture to guess everyone of us has done something at least as stupid and dangerous as what occurred in this story. We've just been luckier. So far. |
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05-02-2010, 04:23 PM
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SAIGON 68
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some things are best unsaid
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05-02-2010, 04:33 PM
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"Now, to put a water-cooled engine in the rear and to have a radiator in the front, that's not very intelligent." -Ferry Porsche (PANO, Oct. '73) (I, Paul D. have loved this quote since 1973. It will remain as long as I post here.) |
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05-02-2010, 04:33 PM
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Sad. When I was 16 my dad was helping me look for cars. I found a guy that had two 1972 Firebirds. I wanted the red one soooo bad, it looked like a race car. My dad went and talked to the guy without me and test drove them both. He came home and said I wasn't getting either. He said those cars "wanted to go fast". I hated him then but I love him now. Knowing now how I was then I probably would have ended up dead.
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05-02-2010, 04:38 PM
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I agree with almost all of the above.
-My kid will learn true car control. "Driver's Ed" usually means stuff like "Don't park in front of a fire hydrant". Not good enough. -Performance cars tend to tempt the driver towards higher speeds. A newly-minted teen driver is going to go have fun testing their new skills, but if they have a second-hand Explorer or Jeep, they're more likely to go off-roading, where mishaps are less likely to cause severe injury or death. A 1960 Valiant with a slant six is a perfect beginner's car- Maybe an old pick-up truck. That being said, one of my best friends had a 1970 Firebird when in high school, and we definately exceeded the speed limit a time or two with it. But at least we used good judgement, I guess, because we're still here. I don't recall ever feeling like we cheated death, or got away with something when driving that car. -The families of these victims live in a high-end country club, where most teens drive cars that are nicer than ..... a Valiant. Some around here seem to have the attitude that coming from a wealthy family makes it even more tragic. I don't see it that way. Poor parents would have the same pain/guilt/loss/questions as anybody else. Income makes no difference when a family member is lost. Not sure how I would react if my kid caused a friend's death. That's gotta be hard. -Others seem to have the attitude that they deserved it for being so stupid. I have a hard time thinking somebody deserves a death sentance for spirited driving. |
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My my daughter turned 16, she got a Toyota Echo with six airbags. Good thing, a year later in the rain she was going too fast, hydroplaned and slammed it into a K-Rail. Absolutely destroyed the car, she walked away very shaken, but totally unhurt.
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Yeah here's the story: http://www.ocala.com/article/20100218/ARTICLES/2181017?Title=Fourth-lawsuit-filed-in-Greystone-tragedy
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^^^^ I was wondering the same thing. Same story or new kids with old idea?
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05-02-2010, 06:52 PM
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my first and second car's were both BMW's the first one was a 1978 320i and the second was a 1989 BMW 325I convertible.. I did exceed the speed limit quite a bit both but the 320i was a perfect learners car ,gutless 4 cylinder .....but it handled awesome. that was the car i spent 5 years driving and learning to really drive. When i got the 325I and more power i wasn't totally clueless.
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1986 Porsche 944 2.5l
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