Whale wars...

[AFD660]

anybody watch this show about a bunch of pirates/terrorists??? They intentionally put people on board another ship in international waters and then claim that they were kidnapped... they throw acid onto the whaling ship.. deploy prop foulers... and just all out harass the whalers and even intentionally ram the other ship... Now im all about for following what you believe in and if saving whales is what they believe in then cool.. but when you terrorize another ship like that and then blantenly turn what you have done, which is piracy into a kidnapping story.. not only are you terrorists, pirates, you are also liars... i would have hog tied the "pirates" that came onto my ship and pushed them overboard. its like somebody breaking into your house then going to sleep on the couch.. and you kick their a$$.. cops come and you get arrested for battery... maybe in california that is the case but hopefully nowhere else... lol... not right in my book...

[m21sniper]

It should be legal for those whaling ships to defend themselves with lethal force. You'd see this silliness stop real fast then.

[sailchef]

I guess their intent is working in that you are opening a discussion about it.

The Whales will be gone,soon. The only question is will it be in your lifetime or your great great grand childrens lifetime.

Someone needs to do Something. Diplomacy doesn't work.

I do understand your point of "illegal boarding", but, the intent is to do good, it is to "save" a species, not to kill and destroy those on board.

The Ocean is a very special place to me and I personally couldn't condemn anyone trying to save it.

[andrew15]

I'm amazed at the restraint showed by the Japanees fleet - regardless of your view on whaling, the Sea Shepard folks come off like pirates.

AM

[AFD660]

Originally Posted by sailchef

I guess their intent is working in that you are opening a discussion about it.

The Whales will be gone,soon. The only question is will it be in your lifetime or your great great grand childrens lifetime.

Someone needs to do Something. Diplomacy doesn't work.

I do understand your point of "illegal boarding", but, the intent is to do good, it is to "save" a species, not to kill and destroy those on board.

The Ocean is a very special place to me and I personally couldn't condemn anyone trying to save it.

I agree with you... if you believe to save the whales and you go out and try to save the whales then i hope you accomplish your mission... but when you act like terrorists and pirates you lose my respect.... and if the japanese do retaliate, i dont want to hear them crying saying that they got attacked for no reason... its like somebody slamming into your Porsche, saying that you burn 1 quart of oil in 1500 miles and its polluting the world making it uninhabitable...

Diplomacy may not work.. but there are other ways of getting it done. They have pictures of the whale meat being packaged and boxed.. why dont they follow the boxes in the trucks when the off load it from the ship and have an insider or two or something... they have lost all my respect for their cause by being terrorists and pirates...

[Nathans_Dad]

I don't agree with their methods but the Japanese fleet is whaling illegally according to international law. The capture of whales in that area is only supposed to be allowed for research purposes, hence why you see the word "Research" painted on the side of the ships. The Japanese aren't conducting research though, they are whaling for commercial purposes.

[m21sniper]

The USN should torpedo those whaling ships, and the green peace hippy bastards ships too. Our guys could use the live fire practice.

Everyone wins.

[AFD660]

Originally Posted by Nathans_Dad

I don't agree with their methods but the Japanese fleet is whaling illegally according to international law. The capture of whales in that area is only supposed to be allowed for research purposes, hence why you see the word "Research" painted on the side of the ships. The Japanese aren't conducting research though, they are whaling for commercial purposes.

that maybe the truth the japanese are doing it illegally... but can you prove it??? i can prove that these anti whalers are liars and acting like pirates/terrorists... theres an agency that goes and "inspects" for nuclear grade arms making material or whatever... have an international whaling agency or whatever that goes on board the whaling ships and makes sure everthing is legit.. and goes with the meat to make sure it is used for research and not sent to resturants... yeah it'll take money .. which i hope the US does not give 90 percent of the funding or any funding at all... but funding from people who want to make a difference in what they believe in...

[Nathans_Dad]

Well, unless you consider research harpooning, butchering and then selling whale meat/blubber...yeah I would say what they are doing is against international law. You can have a debate at to whether Japan chooses to recognize that international law, but it doesn't change the fact they are violating that law.

The whalers are also operating in a gray zone, sometimes they get arrested, sometimes not. Personally I find the whole thing ridiculous from both sides.

[Talewinds]

Originally Posted by m21sniper

The USN should torpedo those whaling ships, and the green peace hippy bastards ships too. Our guys could use the live fire practice.

Everyone wins.

I was experiencing a great internal struggle, until reading this post....
It ain't easy being a tree hugger/ anti-hippy.

I actually really like your proposed solution!

[lane912]

trying to stop whaling with nonviolence- FAIL
dirty hippy crying about not being able to stop it- priceless tv

sad thing is non of the sea shepard hippies would dare touch a firearm

[Brando]

Maybe we'll get lucky and the North Koreans will sink the Japanese whaling ships AND the Sea Shepard.

I think South Park depicted Whale Wars best. If they wanted to really achieve their goal they would employ subterfuge. Sneak a small skiff over to the jap boats at night, attach some explosives, sneak away... Kablammo. They're in it for the posterity, not the cause.

[Talewinds]

Originally Posted by Brando

If they wanted to really achieve their goal they would employ subterfuge. Sneak a small skiff over to the jap boats at night, attach some explosives, sneak away... Kablammo. They're in it for the posterity, not the cause.

Correct.

[dzls rok]

the japanese whaling ships are not whaling illegally according to international law. if they do "research", then what do they do with the rest of the whale? dump it in the ocean or make use of it. they are just make use of the remainder of the whale and not wasting it. whether they are really doing research or not is a different story.

[AFD660]

the captain of the anti whaling ship got "shot" yet he wasnt blown back or moved.. there was no bruising or redness or swelling... there was already a scab where he was "poked" by his badge... and it looked like his vest was only meant to stop handguns.. not for rifles... it also looked like his jacket didnt have a bullet hole in it from a bullet penetrating... if the anti whalers werent liars i would be for them some what... but i dont have any support for them from what i can see... dang hippie liars.. lol.. not that i support anti whalers.. but i support that they are fighting for what they believe in... but when you lie or resort to terrorisim or piracy... you lose my respect..

[aap1966]

I find whaling personally repugnant. Having said that, as long as the whaling is at a sustainable level I will lose no sleep over it. No one makes me eat whale burgers.

I find piracy considerably more repugnant, and am surprised the Japanese don't simply declare an exclusion zone around their whaling fleet and use their navy to defend it. I would lose even less sleep over a few dunked Greenie pirates.

BTW, I am suspicious whenever anyone talks about any state sponsored activity being "illegal." According to which law? If a law applies in Australia, who am I to expect it to apply elsewhere? At worst, such activity may contravene some treaty somewhere, but "illegal"???

[look 171]

Originally Posted by AFD660

I agree with you... if you believe to save the whales and you go out and try to save the whales then i hope you accomplish your mission... but when you act like terrorists and pirates you lose my respect.... and if the japanese do retaliate, i dont want to hear them crying saying that they got attacked for no reason... its like somebody slamming into your Porsche, saying that you burn 1 quart of oil in 1500 miles and its polluting the world making it uninhabitable...

Diplomacy may not work.. but there are other ways of getting it done. They have pictures of the whale meat being packaged and boxed.. why dont they follow the boxes in the trucks when the off load it from the ship and have an insider or two or something... they have lost all my respect for their cause by being terrorists and pirates...

I agree with you , but he will never know because he doesn't have a Porsche but a couple of V Dubs. Maybe an Indian person would throw stink bomb into your home when you are eating your steak, at the same time come into your dinning home and piss on your plate. Fu.. those guys.

[juanbenae]

when i've watched i often wonder if overboard hippies float?

[Danimal16]

Hey, whales for research, I have serious doubts, but pirates are pirates.

With all the money and time keeping that pirate ship at sea, why not spend it in a court of law as most civilized folks prefer, and hold the Japanese accountable?

I get a hell of a kick out of the photos of the pirate speed boat getting chopped up.