Stupid looking Spoons
 

I found this on a "spoon" forum.... I just can't see a reason for this thing to exist. :confused:

What would you use it for? :(

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1275361805.jpg

Nothing practical. Check out the wires jammed up against the barrel under the shroud.

I was thinking maybe it's for VIP protection duty.
You could conceal it under a coat...

A FN 5.7 would be a lot better selection IMO.

For shooting random things in your yard becuse you like guns.

More weird spoons.... Does this qualify?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1275363152.jpg

Saw this on "Inglourious Basterds" earlier today.


As for the AR pistol...it depends on what you want to use it for. The one in your OP has the Gun Smoke buffer tube which makes the pistol completely unreliable. Some guys want a short buffer tube and will keep on trying to make it work well.

There has been a lot of discussions about ballistics with the shorter barrel, The 7" or 7.5" barrels are mostly range toys for the owners who have several other ARs. The flash and percussion from a 7" barrel shooting a 5.56 round is intense. And lets face it, in close quarters, the 7" barrel will be useful...some guys argue it needs to reach out to 100 yards, or it's just useless. The thing about an AR pistol, is you can have a short barrel (say 10.5" to 12.5") without having to get a stamp....or if you can't get a stamp in your state. with a longer "pistol" barrel, there isn't much left on the table compared to a 16" barrel.

So with a long pistol barrel, an AR pistol makes a lot of sense to some folks. Small and concealable (as someone mentioned about VIP protection), and just as lethal as a 16" barrel). Muscle memory. Ammo selection (or similarity with the rifle one may have). There are some advantages.

Snipe - I'm not sure how expensive 5.7 ammo is or how easy it is to get, but for less than an FN 5.7 pistol one can have an AR pistol (custom built if you'd like) and ammo is common enough. ;)

Mk 262 velocity data
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7.5" 2053 fps ... 10.5" 2363 fps
difference 310 fps
difference/inch 103 fps

10.5" 2363 fps ... 14.5" 2576 fps
difference 213 fps
difference/inch 53 fps

14.5" 2576 fps ... 16" 2669 fps
difference 93 fps
difference/inch 62 fps

16" 2669 fps ... 18" 2769 fps
difference 100 fps
difference/inch 50 fps

18" 2769 fps ... 20" 2818 fps
difference 49 fps
difference/inch 25 fps



m855 velocity data
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7.5" 2244 fps ... 10.5" 2639 fps
difference 395 fps
difference/inch 132 fps

10.5" 2639 fps ... 14.5" 2861 fps
difference 222 fps
difference/inch 56 fps

14.5" 2861 fps ... 16" 2938 fps
difference 77 fps
difference/inch 51 fps

16" 2938 fps ... 18" 3046 fps
difference 108 fps
difference/inch 54 fps

18" 3046 fps ... 20" 3061 fps
difference 15 fps
difference/inch 7.5 fps


xm193 velocity data
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7.5" 2364 fps ... 10.5" 2755 fps
difference 391 fps
difference/inch 130 fps per inch

10.5" 2755 fps ... 14.5" 2984 fps
difference 229 fps
difference/inch 57 fps per inch

14.5" 2984 fps ... 16" 3075 fps
difference 91 fps
difference/inch 61 fps

16" 3075 fps ... 18" 3245 fps
difference 170 fps
difference/inch 85 fps

18" 3245 ... 20" 3254 fps
difference 9 fps
difference/inch 4.5 fps


NOVESKE S/S POLYGONAL 1X7" 12.5" ......... LMT CHROME LINED 1X7" 14.5"

M193 .......................... 2948 FPS .............................. 2984 FPS

M855 .......................... 2836 FPS .............................. 2861 FPS

MK 262 ....................... 2602 FPS .............................. 2576 FPS




NOVESKE S/S POLYGONAL 1X7" 16" ....................LMT S/S 1X7" 18"

M193 .......................... 3135 FPS .............................. 3177 FPS

M855 .......................... 3004 FPS .............................. 3026 FPS

MK 262 ....................... 2723 FPS .............................. 2744 FPS



Found on the web..actually owned by the owner of Primary Arms.

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/b...tos/Pistol.jpg

More pics

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/8198/arpistolwp2.jpg

For Snipe ;)

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/3579/march200924182.jpg

Seems like a good SHTF gun. Presumably you're going to try to escape the S, most likely in a car, and a full AR would be kind of hard to use whilst seated in your average subcompact . . .

And if it is supressed...awesome firepower for close range work..

It's an airsoft, so my guess for it's best use would be to annoy cats.

Which "spoon" is an airsoft? :confused:

5.56mm ammo would not fragment out of a 7" barrel, pretty much regardless of type, the velocity would simply be too low. Energy would also be greatly reduced as well. 2050fps at the muzzle from the 7" bbl is below the threshold for Mk262 ammo to fragment (2100fps is the floor). M855 and M193 have even higher velocity requirements to obtain fragmentation.
In a 7" barrel the only things you could trust to expand at all would be the lightweight 40gr varmint bullets, so at that point, you're just as well off using 40gr 5.7 V-max rounds IMO.

It is, IMO, a range curiosity with no practical value whatsoever.

A FN 5.7 pistol has 100 meter range right out of the box, is far more concealable, much lighter, and holds just as many bullets.

No one in the personal protection field is going to chose a gimmicky AR pistol over a 5.7 due to cost IMO.

It's not a good anything gun. If you fired that in a car your eardrums would explode. This silly little AR is trying desperately to be a PDW, and failing miserably. An FN 5.7 is IMO in every way superior to any AR "pistol."

5.7 PDW's:

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/3579/march200924182.jpg
See now if they just put a little vertical flat plate on the end of the buffer tube that AR-57 would actually be a very useful weapon. But as it is now, with no stock, IMO it's just stupid, lol...

Even still, you can see in the pic how the AR "pistol" totally dwarfs the size of the 5.7 pistol.

The first picture, hence the wires in the foregrip.

I figured the wires were for some sort of a hidden laser sight. It does look exactly like a real AR. There are no significant "tells" that it's not, besides the wires.

Bill

What's up with these magazines? (circled in red)

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1275401879.jpg

That first spoon is no airsoft... As useless as one IMHO tho....

Those are 50rd 5.7x28mm magazines, as used by the AR-57 and the P-90 PDW.

http://world.guns.ru/smg/fn_p90_1.jpg

Thanks for that but why do they have that circular thing on the end? (bullet at 90% inside)

Is it some sort of speed reload device? I've never seen anything like that before.

It is unique. The magazine rotates the round 90 degrees as it is fed.

Another stupid looking sppon... lol
 

Just found these... Ok. I get it now...

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1275403802.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1275403815.gif

Me like!

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1275404283.jpg

I really like the AR-57 a lot myself. I also really like the Five Seven pistol as well.

They're both quite controversial. Maybe that's why i like them so much...hehe...

as I said, it's airsoft. With a metal body kit, and removal of the red barrel tip, most quality airsoft guns are indistinguishable from the real thing.
In fact, in the OP, you can actually read "Manufactured under license from Colt and Cybergun by ICS Taiwan R.O.C"

http://topshotairsoft.com/library/Ai...9-2500x265.jpg

This, on the other hand, is not airsoft:

http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gears...01-500x330.jpg

I wouldn't want a 7" AR as my goto spoon, but as I tried to point out it's a range toy for most...and in a pinch I would not toss it aside for a knife in close quarters. Yep it'll be loud as hell and the flash will cover a small room, but that may offer an advantage since the operator would be expecting it. Ever see a badass mofo gang banger coward at the sight and sound of a lowly .22? Something to the psycho edge. Beside I won't stand in front of a 7" AR in a room. Who would? ;)

Anyhow, I tried to stress the longer barrel in my original post and posted some velocity data for comparision. A 10.5" to 12.5" is the range one would want for an AR pistol to rely on.

Ugly? Well, it won't win any beauty contest, nor will some of the more popular weapons out there. Probably the biggest advantage of an AR pistol is the ability to have a barrel less than 16" without a stamp. Of course it is not smaller than some in its lethality range and sure there are alternatives, but the popularity of the AR is it's availability (parts) and simple design leading to a lot of home builds and easy customization.

Its ultimate purpose and use? Dream up all the scenarios you want, but if the SHTF I'll take a 12.5" AR pistol. I'll take a 5.7 pistol too, but since I know there's a lot of .223 and 5.56 ammo to be found out there my chances with an AR pistol are probably better.

In reality...they're all range toys.

I wonder what kind of mechanism they have in there to remove the need for a buffer tube entirely.

I dig it.

A 12.5" AR with the right ammo (Mk262) will still give you full fragmentation effect out to about 100 meters or so. A 10.5" will still fragment to about 50+ meters (meaning it's perfectly fine for CQB).

I am actually in agreement with you on the flash and blast of the smaller AR's. That's as liable to scare the living hell out of the BG and make him run as anything else.

0 gauge?

A solid wrist mechanism? With no buffer tube that bastard is going to hurt....

Maybe it's some kind of piston setup with the recoil spring under the handguards, i don't know.

It's a 2 bore muzzle loader. Shoots a 1/2 pound round ball (3500 grains) at about 1500 fps.

That would mess up your day. :(

It's a different carrier with the spring under the handguard just like you're suggesting.

I can't recall at the moment which manufacturer makes a pistol like that, but there is a guy on ARFCOM who built one himself that looks pretty cool with the charging handle on the left of the handguard.

Personally I think having the buffer tube is good. Without a buffer tube or a very short one, you can't bring it up to you check to sight it. You just point and spray. A laser would be handle on such a thing with no buffer tube to rest your check on.

Movie fact: William Defoe's character in "Clear and Present Danger" carriered ar AR pistol and used it in the scene where they were escaping the BG's compound.

Ah, a 2 gauge.

Crazy.

Same here.